I think that Fiat and Leo / Don’t Say No was a pretty good spinoff despite being a heap o’ cheese at times…
I got through Don't Say No only because of Leon and the cat guy - otherwise I thought it was excuciating, with Fiat having degenerated from an interesting bad boy into the Über-uke - totally useless with no agency, and despite being a basketball star now unable to descend stairs without mishap. It's similar to the problem here - the uke is infantilized to such a degree that it feels more like a father-son story than a romance between relative equals.
I think we need to let the entire series play out to decide what kind of message they are trying to convey about…
I got the satire - but from the previews it looks like Shogun feels like an abuse victim, even though Matteo is the sub. Maybe I'm prejudging based on, well, all other BL representations of BDSM, which is always that it's evil. But we'll see, I guess. I do like BurgerKing.
Yes, I agree - it would be nice to see King help Burger with self esteem issues, even if they don’t end up together…
But if Shogun sneezed or had a muscle spasm in his leg it would have cut Ken in two. I totally get your point, but when there's that gigantic a size and strength difference, there needs to be more setup of the emotional dynamic that allows Ken to control Shogun. It wasn't a deal-killer for me, but it did make me laugh a little. Shogun's thighs are thicker than Ken's entire torso.
If that's what you consider 18+, I's hate to see what Rated G is to you. Unicorns doing jigsaw puzzles under a…
Someone doesn't magically become sexy when they turn 18. If they're sexy, they're sexy, and there's nothing wrong with commenting on it. There would be something wrong with acting upon it, but not making an observation. The reason for ages of consent is because people that age are usually not emotionally mature enough to avoid being taken advantage of and damaged. It's the very fact that they DO have sexual appeal that requires age of consent laws.
Tul & Wan saved it for me, too. This would have been a great series if they were the primary couple.
The music was definitely a problem - in Tul & Wan's love scene the music sounded like a tragic climax from a Richard Strauss opera and made it feel like they were doing something that would doom them both.
I agree with all of this. Definitely about Yacht - he's consistently the best actor in everything he's in, yet never the lead. Art is another one that gets no love.
But I especially agree about the disturbing father-son dynamic of WinTeam - Team is so heavily infantilized that he's a 20-year old man who sleeps between his parents in their bed. All they needed was for him to breast feed to make the picture complete.
Men in general don't talk about their feelings, but there's nothing in particular about gay men that inclines us to talk less about our feelings, and we're probably a bit more likely to. BL in general leans heavily on implausible failures of communication, which I find really tiresome. People working out their differences can have as much drama and interest as people not talking about their differences, but writers seem to take the lazy route, since it's really easy to write characters not communicating. All you have to do is throw in a montage of happy times together over a blaring sappy ballad.
I think WinTeam worked in UWMA because they were a refreshing contrast from the main pairs, whose stories seemed to involve enless crying and flashbacks to THAT SCENE. And I think it was Earth that did all the heavy lifting to make the series work.
Which is interesting if true because Prem had a lot of presence in My Only 12% when acting against Earth. Maybe because he was playing a man and not an infantilized disaster like Team.
I think it's time to end the practice chaining actors together for life as pairs. It just gets old, and it's an almost always disappointing attempt to recapture lightning in a bottle.
This series is another good example why you shouldnt do spinoffs using side couples. They reconstructed and desperately…
You can do a story about side couples, or anyone, really, if you write it well, which didn't happen here. Also, it's a bad idea to attempt to flesh out a story that we've already seen. WinTeam in UWMA was the breath of fresh air between the endless crying scenes - here there was nothing fresh. Why not have the story take place afterwards and cover new ground?
I agree. So why are you being an asshole? Or are you another person that doesn't see how a personal attack against another person is infinitely worse than a criticism of a work of light entertainment?
If that's what you consider 18+, I's hate to see what Rated G is to you. Unicorns doing jigsaw puzzles under a rainbow? There's nothing wrong with underage people flirting or doing things with each other. What's not OK is adults doing things with underage people. Below you seemd to have a problem with someone just flirting while under 18. Why? Do you think anyone under 18 shouldn't be allowed to flirt or date?
Is this a BL? Why is the main character in love with a girl? The boys in this are adorable, but this is a mess. And are we going with kink shaming again? More than shaming, they're suggesting BDSM is depraved and evil, but in a clownish sort of way. This is awful. I like the main couple, and their acting is good - but this needs some focus, and quickly.
They're not 5 years apart in age. This ep Noey said he'll be a a freshman in college when Thi is a senior - so…
The subtitles are not great. Earlier in the ep he said that they'd only have one year of overlap because he'd be in his first year of college when Thi was in his last - but then Thi said his parents were making him finish in Chiang Mai. That's why Noey wants to get into the same college.
Earlier in the series subtitles had indicater grades that would have made Noey 14 and Thi 20 or so, which does make it icky, but I assumed that had to be an error. But 17-18 & 20 are not objectionable. Even if it's 17 and 21, that's not too bad, especially with someone like Noey that can take care of himself. As long as someone supervises his cooking so that everyone doesn't die of high blood pressure.
i agree with all of this, i love that we have a couple where both characters are completely equal and they have…
I feel like this needs to be the last high school BL with a story like this because it will never be done better - much like there's no point to a Love Mechanics-type plot because that series did it as good as can be done.
I love that Tin and Gun are such consistent and well-drawn characters, and they never behave out of character just because the plot requires them to - that's good writing - the plot revolves around the characters and not the other way around.
Their chemistry is fantastic - it's not as heated as we've seen, but it's just perfect for innocent first love, and so authentic.
To be honest, that was dull and I had to put it on 2x a few times. I don't like all the voiceover, and there are a lot of unnecessary flashbacks. This was the weakest episode so far - I still enjoy the series, but I hope the finale is more up to the standard the series has reached in past episodes.
The subtitles for this are not great - a lot is confusing. The age difference between them according to the subtitles has varied from 14 and 21 to this episode's 17 vs 20. I think this episode's was definitive, because Noey said he's be in his first year of college when Thi is in his last, which puts them 3 years apart in age, possibly two if Noey is late and Thi is early.
I don't know if Thi's smile was enigmatic and fake on purpose or due to weak acting, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and saying how he feels is being concealed, although we heard a lot of his internal monologue. I do think Tar is a stronger actor, though. Ohm as Tiw is a natural - I hope we see a lot more of him in the future.
The music was definitely a problem - in Tul & Wan's love scene the music sounded like a tragic climax from a Richard Strauss opera and made it feel like they were doing something that would doom them both.
But I especially agree about the disturbing father-son dynamic of WinTeam - Team is so heavily infantilized that he's a 20-year old man who sleeps between his parents in their bed. All they needed was for him to breast feed to make the picture complete.
Men in general don't talk about their feelings, but there's nothing in particular about gay men that inclines us to talk less about our feelings, and we're probably a bit more likely to. BL in general leans heavily on implausible failures of communication, which I find really tiresome. People working out their differences can have as much drama and interest as people not talking about their differences, but writers seem to take the lazy route, since it's really easy to write characters not communicating. All you have to do is throw in a montage of happy times together over a blaring sappy ballad.
Which is interesting if true because Prem had a lot of presence in My Only 12% when acting against Earth. Maybe because he was playing a man and not an infantilized disaster like Team.
I think it's time to end the practice chaining actors together for life as pairs. It just gets old, and it's an almost always disappointing attempt to recapture lightning in a bottle.
Earlier in the series subtitles had indicater grades that would have made Noey 14 and Thi 20 or so, which does make it icky, but I assumed that had to be an error. But 17-18 & 20 are not objectionable. Even if it's 17 and 21, that's not too bad, especially with someone like Noey that can take care of himself. As long as someone supervises his cooking so that everyone doesn't die of high blood pressure.
I love that Tin and Gun are such consistent and well-drawn characters, and they never behave out of character just because the plot requires them to - that's good writing - the plot revolves around the characters and not the other way around.
Their chemistry is fantastic - it's not as heated as we've seen, but it's just perfect for innocent first love, and so authentic.
The subtitles for this are not great - a lot is confusing. The age difference between them according to the subtitles has varied from 14 and 21 to this episode's 17 vs 20. I think this episode's was definitive, because Noey said he's be in his first year of college when Thi is in his last, which puts them 3 years apart in age, possibly two if Noey is late and Thi is early.
I don't know if Thi's smile was enigmatic and fake on purpose or due to weak acting, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and saying how he feels is being concealed, although we heard a lot of his internal monologue. I do think Tar is a stronger actor, though. Ohm as Tiw is a natural - I hope we see a lot more of him in the future.