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Yes, that did me in too.

I have a feeling this is going to be PG-13 and we're never going to get a good look at him. Maybe he could try on some short shorts next ep.

Haha, just abbreviated History4 myself in another post and slapped myself at being so dense.

I kind of see it with the first couple in this, but it doesn't have anything equivalent to the complex storyline of the second couple in H4, and its rich visual symbolism & metaphor.

H1 & 2 had some mediocre stories too, and MODC had just as mixed a response as H4, which I really liked.

I don't understand the question and I refuse to answer it. (That's an obscure comedy reference.) But seriously, I don't know what that means. The only F4 I know of is an obsoletee American figher jet.

To be fair, in Asia, even before COVID random people walked around in masks. It's crowded in Asia and the urban areas often don't have the best air.

It does get better once the romances heat up, and the secondary couple is a bit unusual, but I don't think it will ever rise to more than a pleasant and forgettable diversion.

I'm confused why you always skip secondary couples - they're very often much more interesting than the main couple, who are usually narratively boxed in by whatever the premise is.

But I totally agree - average Thai BLs don't give you anything more than the shorter series most common in other countries - there's just a lot more repetition and side characters. Maybe it's he side characteres that give them popularity. Even if you don't like the main couple, you may get really attached to a side couple, and since there are usually at least two side couples, you have three chances to like one.

But also, BL audiences appear to be more actor and character-driven than plot driven. The like loooonnggg BLs because they get to live alongside people they like, plus Thai actors are made to engage far more with audiences than in most other places, and when you do that, the audience becomes proprietary and overlooks the gigantic flaws in the series for the sake of beloved actors or characters.

There was too much inner monologue for sure. The first time it was OK - I thought maybe it was for comedic effect, but then they just kept doing it. It's so unncessary - the actors can portray almost all without the narration.

Hmm. What is the sponsor of this series? I can't tell. What could it be? The product placement must have been so subtle that I missed it.

Speaking of unsubtle things, Sean Wang is playing a cartoon character, not a person. It's really OTT and a little off-putting. It feels like Linus Wang is doing all the heavy lifting. Speaking of which, the chance I could sleep in a tiny bed pressed against him is 0%. I'd last 5 seconds before I jumped him.

In the other story, that... is attempted murder, not just nasty jealous coworkers. People need to be in jail.

This is OK. I don't love it, I don't hate it. I do love it when Hai Yi wears a skimpy tank top.

It's hard for me to be in love with this series because it's a bit dull and unfortunately, the one BL trope they decided to go with is the cold seme.

But other than that, it's refreshing in many ways. First, it doesn't always do the predictable thing. When they went drinking I groanded thinking "Ugh, here we go again with an implausible misunderstanding resolved by drunken frolic that will make the uke vomit and then one of them won't remember it then next day." But that's not at all what happened. When the uke tripped, the seme didn't catch him - he got jostled and tripped as well, in a cute scene.

And that was a full-body hug, not the usual upper chests touching with the rest of the body as far, far away as possible.

Even the misunderstanding was reasonable. Seung Hyun has never been in a relationship before, so I can believe a relatively minor thing like that would assume oversized importanece to him, and when I was in my late 20s, it would have bothered me if the guy I was dating was my first love's ex - not THAT much, but it would bring up a lot of emotional baggage.

And I can understand why Jong Chan didn't get why SH was so bothered - I would find that tiresome. JC is right, it is very common for gay men to stay friends after dating. I'm going to a ballet event next weekend with a group of friends, and I've been with all of them.

There are still three episodes left - don't curse it. :) I agree with all that.

The only thing that was unrealistic is the man who said they were cute, although I suppose he could be gay too.

His restraints were so loose it was probably considerable effort for the sub to even keep them on. The BDSM was in the first episode then never came up again - in fact the "Dom" had to ask permission to give his sub a peck on the cheek, which was usually withheld, because what self-respecting grown man gives in to such monstrous animal lusts like that? A peck on the cheek? Next he'll want to hold hands or something perverted like that.

She can be both non-homophobic and evil. Actually, if she's evil she may even prefer him to be gay so no woman as evil and manipulative as her ever snags him and becomes a threat to her. Much better that he's being schtupped by a hot fisherman who's powerless against her.

I actually laughed out loud every time she was onscreen - "It's a huge mystery who's behind all the villainy. WHO could it be?" If she had a mustache she'd be twirling it.

Except in Sunshine Night the secondary couple get separated halfway through and never went anywhere, and I can still feel the rage rising in me just talking about this. And at least Nueng is healhy - in Sunshine Night they dumped a guy whose brain was bleeding in the middle of nowhere and let him engage in equestrian sports.

I think Nueng's mother had her husband killed and that assassination attempt on her was just an act. She's the Big Bad of the series, and Neung is just a means to an end - she can rule the empire as his guardian and can control him like she couldn't her husband.

That's just a theory - I have no inside knowlege. It's possible she did it all for Nueng - or maybe her husband was about to leave her.

I'm really confused now because I liked that. Despite the horrendous plot holes (I think I'll frolic on the beach even though the last time I saw my mother she was SHOT and I don't know if she's dead or not.

And the whole getting the heir of a gazillionaire a teenaged fisherman as a body-guard thing.

But other than that I enjoyed it. I think it's because there were virtually no BL cliches and tropes, they didn't get too carried away with the seme-uke thing, and the boys are cute together, now that they're letting Phuwin ditch the bratty angry privileged kid thing. And his English was perfect, an upper-class Californian accent, with only a hint of a foreign accent.

Can we talk for a minute about Pond's legs? They are so beautiful and perfect that they're almost their own character. The shape, muscled but not too muscled, the skin tone - just everything. The rest of him is fairly Grade AAA too.

Also, I like that Nueng isn't playing a Victorian vigin twelve-year old. When Palm took off his shirt, he properly checked out his body like an actual teenaged guy would. Well, actually anybody of any age would check that out.

¡Gracias!

Yes, but there are two episodes left and this has grown tiresome. I get that some people like clarification, but when you're more or less living together for months and you don't know if you're in a relationship or not, then you're so bad at communicating and connecting that maybe you shouldn't be together. Nobody introduces a fuck-body to their mother, calls their fuckbuddy to ride 2 hours in the rain to rescue them from... whatever... There's a point where cluelessness is carried so far that it makes you just not care anymore.