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I think Yong Jie did something wrong, but not rape, which would have to have Xing Si be incapacitated, and he wasn't. What he did is still terrible - it doesn't matter if Xing Si wanted him (which he obviously does), what's important is he did not want to pursue those feelings and Yong Jie knew that and manipulated him, which is a bad violation of trust. But he's also 20 and never been in love before, so redeemable and forgivable - if he realizes what he's doing and tries to change. I try to block out how I behaved the first time I was in love - I never did THAT, but I was a totaly idiot.

I think the actors are quite good, but the writing makes Li Cheng and Mu Ren's characters so inconsistent that it's hard to connect to them. Xing Si and Yong Jie are more consistent and their actors better, but their storyline is stalled and getting boring.

I agree completely.

She's the only fujoshi who doesn't annoy me at all. She was a little cartoonish at the beginning, but not as much as Li Cheng and Mu Ren. Now she's just a supportive friend.

She wasn't into him, she was pretending to for a minute to demonstrate to him that he has no feelings for her but is stuck on Mu Ren.

I'm all for the "toxic and inappropriate" - what is irritating is when everyone finds one story toxic and inappropriate but somehow fails to notice that the other one is even more toxic and inappropriate because they like the couple better. If I have to listen to everyone repeatedly complain about Yong Jie, then nobody can tell me Li Cheng is any better.

Li Cheng was totally wrong. That was unambiguous sexual assault. If you put a woman in Mu Ren's role, it would be extremely disturbing. Everyone here is romanticising it and missing the not-to-subtle point the series is making that just because it's two men doesn't make it acceptable.

We don't know if he's in the hospital. If he only fainted, they would keep him for observation and send him home in the morning.

If Dad really had a serious heart attack (it would have to be serious to pass out like that), then hiding it is completely ridiculous - actually it's unforgivable.

It was, before it got so cliched that most writers stopped using it. Sexuality is a thing. All my closest friends are women, and I long for their company, but there's zero chance I can ever fall in love with a woman (romantically) no matter how perfect they are for me in every way (except one). If "true love" means extremely close friendship, then maybe. if it involves sex, then absolutely not.

I don't remember that, but now I have to go back and watch it to help erase this ep from memory.

1,000 Stars (nobody said they were gay, but it was strongly implied both were), about 50% of Filipino BLs, Nation's Brother (Vietnam), Cupid Coach, maybe Brothers (since 100% of the entire population of the city is gay, it doesn't actually need to be said, but it's more or less granted) I'm sure we could come up with others.

I've more or less lost interest after this ep - last ep was already fairly dull, but I had to take two breaks to get through this one.

I would have disagreed until this episode. This was so bad I don't think it can come back from it. It felt like "how many tired tropes can we stuff into an episode?" It's still beautifully filmed, but other than that it was boring and I had a hard time sitting through it.

I doubt he did. Probably just fainted. I don't see how they could conceal the real thing. That's a typical trope.

That was the worst episode so far, and was bad by general BL standards. Li Cheng veered from very creepy to wise and sad in a way that was very inconsistent and blurred his character.

We had both of them proclaim they're not gay, they just like one guy, which is the worst BL cliche and I thought we were moving past that.

Li Cheng and Mu Ren were both awful this episode, Li Cheng being way too aggressive with someone who said no, and Mu Ren using a woman to deny his feelings, which confusion is OK in a high school student but not a 30-year old man. Also, it's gross when someone licks you. People only do that to tease people, and everyone always flinches in disgust. It was really weird an creepy. And LC just said he developed feelings for Mu Ren by watching him masturbate naked while on rape drugs. How romantic.

I'm not too interested in the Li Cheng/Mu Ren storyline because it's so conventional and predictable, but it's usually at least entertaining, even really funny. My initial fear was right - it's too hard to blend cartoonish humor with seriousness. Their interaction needs to be high-octane, and it was just really sagging in energy, although it was hot how easily Li Cheng could pin both of Mu Ren's arms with one hand. Other than that, all their scenes dragged. I even skipped the final "sad song on roof with montage" routine.

The Xing Si/Yong Jie plot progressed but somehow seemed not to, which is sort of the theme for the episode, I guess. I presume Yong Jie is hiding dad's condition because he knows Xing Si will blame himself, but why isn't mom saying anything?

Also, the "anyone over 50 who gets angry will have a heart attack" cliche is getting old too. I'm guessing he really didn't and just fainted. But people over 50 can get angry without fainting.

And there it is. EDIT: The both did it. I guess that's sort of different. Not in a good way, but I don't think I've seen it before. Now we just need Yong Jie to say it and we have a trifecta of awful.

Ugh. I'm taking a break halfway through. This has taken a horrible turn toward the conventional and I'm trying not to skip over the Mu Ren dinner with his date. If anyone says "I'm not gay, I only like _______", I may start skipping things.

The only thing that's still superior is the camera work - that mirror shot in the hotel room was beautiful.

Also, I'm assuming nobody will comment on Li Cheng's aggressiveness - pinning someone immobile after they've said "no" is not OK with someone that visibly unwilling. (I'm not bothered be it). But the lick was gross.

The worst thing you can do in a visual medium is have a voice-over narration that explains everything to you. If you can't show us these things, then go home. The only time there's ever an excuse for that is if the voice-over contradicts what we're seeing.

The acting is terrible, the pacing is glacial, nothing about the story is interesting. I couldn't get through the first episode, so just in case I was not in the mood the first time I tried, I went back to finish it. I didn't exactly finish it because I had to fast-foward through scenes too painful to watch.

Ep 1 was the worst BL episode I've ever seen. It went downhill from there.

I like Aki, I like Drei, I like how Darrell Castillo looks with his shirt off (or on) a lot, none of those are enough to make me sit through this.

I have no idea - apparently some people don't like the director.

OK, but "inappropriate" is different than "sick". I don't agree that there's anything wrong with it, but I can see why people would - but it's a bit strange to criticize something for being exploitative when the entire genre is by its nature exploitative.

I think it's one of the best BLs to air so far this year. It's dark, but rings true. I've never really seen Michael Kiettisak in action before - he's really good.

Can someone give me a little background on why this series is bringing out such a large volume of unhinged people? Apparently the director is controversial, but there doesn't appear to be any substantial reason. Did he murder a bunch of people?

At first I thought it was funny that people could get that worked up over light entertainment, but now it's starting to seem really sad - I feel bad that people can be so empty inside that their sense of self is that ntwined with what strangers on the internet think.

2 moons 2 wasn'tTHAT bad. It wasn't good, but there's been worse. I would think people would be piling on the director of What the Duck or something. Maybe En of Love Tossara.