Why worried about MM? Sorry this drama has been so frustrating from the get go so I like being prepared before…
Today's episode showed her looking at her phone and seeming very stressed and scared. She was going to talk to RTZ but hesitated and didn't. I think theres some sort of backstory going on with her that is a bit concerning that she hasn't told anyone about.
Now TT and RTZ are giving chaotic girlfriend and calm boyfriend to be vibes lol! - I thought the skatepark scene was so funny and cute. I love how he knows her so well, and I love how innocent and gullible she is. Tough exterior, but warm and gooey interior is what TT is.
I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen more RTZ character development yet. And I am worried about MM. So happy for them that the new TCM centre opened :D!!!
Ep. 23 had a few highlights for me. - I was very glad to see TT working hard and apply herself to learning theoretical…
Maybe she also finds MM too dependent on her son? Usually traditional moms look for girls that can take care of their sons and run a household, raise children, be a good representation of the family etc. (her mental health condition may be why she thinks MM wouldn't be suitable)
Also she's said in the past "I am not choosing my daughter in law, I am choosing my future grand children's mom" - which I thought to be a really interesting line
I think there is potential, but nothing has been explicitly pointing to that. MM, RTZ and TT is one possible option and the other is, RTZ, TT and the chairman's son.
Thoughts around the last few episodes, with work and school being so busy atm I skipped some scenes (will go back and rewatch over the weekend).
I don't have much to add to the discussion really. I also thought the New Year scene was very wholesome <3. Loved the family as a whole, and TT and RTZ knowtowing to elders was so funny. TT is a good influence on RTZ.
I can see hints of a set up for a romance being trickle fed to us, purely though the strength of TT and RTZ's relationship (they spend a lot of time together, tease each other, can stand up to each other, and also seem to now be partners in crime). I was glad when they included the scene where TT mentioned she thinks that RTZ likes MM because at this point I didn't have a lot of context to whats going on in either of their minds. I also wouldn't have picked up on the cultural pressures of TT not feeling good enough from a status perspective to RTZ without that convo. I heard that Weibo has an account for each character with added perspectives to give more POV (and on twitter I saw some of MM's perspectives translated about TT and they were so cute -> mainly about how she felt safe when TT is there at the house and how when the last time TT got kicked out her bubbly personality was markedly missed in the household).
I also like the side stories ramping up both medically and the romances. I saw a comment a while back that someone said in the early part of the story it seemed that it was TT that needed the most development/growth but now it's becoming apparent its RTZ, the master, and Rebecca that needs that at least in my opinion.
One side comment that made me a bit uncomfortable of this drama initially is the traditional gender roles being so strictly enforced. Like how the mom always defers to the dad, is nervous around him, caters to him -> I don't see that being reciprocated. I've seen K and C dramas moving away from this so I was a bit surprised to see that here. Also annoys me how the master calls RTZ "your son" to the mom lol.
- I thought RTZ was going to crash off a cliff b/c of the amount of times he stared at TT through the rearview mirror - I think there was a time jump right?(that would explain why RTZ looks at TT differently now and seems to care more) - Wish we were getting more TCM scenes with explanations tied in - LOL at TT's laundry scene with the master - TT can be a great property manager haha - she's so great with people - wow Rebecca had a breakthrough! - I LOVE gardening and enjoy all the scenes with plants in this show - I really like the moms character, every time she smiles its so warm - :o the new guy is so handsome!!!
Whoever said that Tianzhen takes one step forward and two steps back is so right. Like that should just pop up…
You are so right that he hasn't even asked her or her parents !!! This makes me even more certain he has no intention of moving in with her, he's just using this as a bluff against his mom😑
Great analysis! The whole plot around MM could have been written in a more careful way. As it is, things are going…
I totally agree, the way her story is written has a lot of gaps and I am not sure if everything will be answered as this wraps up. Theres a lot about her story that makes me uncomfortable.
I was also wondering exactly what you described. Why is it that she was drawn to RTZ only? She talked to TT at the grocery store, she hugged the mom initially and seemed to trust her, and she also hugged TT when she didn't get kicked out of the program. But for the most part she's overly attached to RTZ with very minimal interactions with anyone else (she also carries around the stuffed toy he won for her.... is it like a safety blanket? something to cling on for anxiety?)
Maybe its the fact RTZ gives her constant attention unlike the other people (maybe she truly only feels safe with him because he's always there if she needs right now?). And it could also be like you said the mom declared TT to be the only girl allowed to live there.... MM could be feeling jealous or wanting to replace her own family with this family. Her story line needs to be addressed from more of a psychiatry perspective which the show has been lacking. As doctors RTZ's mom and dad should be able to step in and recommend treatment for MM and her family but his mom made it seemed like she was just kicking MM out to fend for herself which also probably triggered RTZ.
RTZ doesn't get attention from his dad (and it impacts him a lot) and MM doesn't get attention from either of her parents. That slight connection could be another reason why he feels so strongly to stand up for her? Maybe we will get more answers tomorrow?
There hasn't been a lot of dramas where there's been a character I find as confusing as MM (maybe if we knew what medical condition she had this would make more sense?). Let me start by saying I don't think RTZ has feelings for MM. He feels a sense of responsibility for her, and I think he's using moving out as an excuse to pressure his mom into letting MM live with them. I think in his mind he views MM in a more childlike way which is why he doesn't see where his behaviour crosses the line with her (where as with TT he says 'men and women shouldn't touch each other'). With TT he has conversations like an equal where as he tip toes on eggshells around MM.
The scenes MM has with RTZ are as close to a couple who has just started dating as it can get. Like when they were holding each other when they had stomach pains, RTZ sitting with MM as she falls asleep, her general codependency on him, the countless scenes of them watching sunsets and eating meals together.... Watching them I think eventually MM will start to have feelings for the male lead (if she doesn't have them already).
I also don't feel like MM's character is as child like as she is portrayed (but again really hard to evaluate without knowing her mental state/condition accurately). I don't think the male lead is qualified to cure her or provide her the care she needs which is the most disturbing part and the fact that the master can't figure that out is confusing me. Like she isn't better, what is RTZ doing to fix her? He won't be a permanent fixture in her life, her not working on her own issues and growing to depend on him more and more isn't helping anyone. MM's parents need to step up and do that family counselling thats clearly much needed here.
At this point of the show I don't think RTZ has romantic feelings for either MM or TT. TT and RTZ at this point are like siblings (but I do think they have a lot of potential for a slow burn romance and a really deep and enduring love. They already understand each other pretty well.). MM and RTZ also might be a really cute couple if MM works on her issues separate from RTZ. But like the mom is saying RTZ needs to distance himself from this girl before something tragic happens (which the show might be setting up for......) sigh. Didn't she have an ectopic pregnancy because a guy took advantage of her? Clearly she needs therapy, and not to get confused about feelings/relationships even more by the weird treatment RTZ is giving her. If I put myself in her position it would be so hard not to develop feelings for someone who treats you the way RTZ treats her.....
I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen more RTZ character development yet. And I am worried about MM. So happy for them that the new TCM centre opened :D!!!
Is there only 1 episode today :(?
Also she's said in the past "I am not choosing my daughter in law, I am choosing my future grand children's mom" - which I thought to be a really interesting line
I don't have much to add to the discussion really. I also thought the New Year scene was very wholesome <3. Loved the family as a whole, and TT and RTZ knowtowing to elders was so funny. TT is a good influence on RTZ.
I can see hints of a set up for a romance being trickle fed to us, purely though the strength of TT and RTZ's relationship (they spend a lot of time together, tease each other, can stand up to each other, and also seem to now be partners in crime). I was glad when they included the scene where TT mentioned she thinks that RTZ likes MM because at this point I didn't have a lot of context to whats going on in either of their minds. I also wouldn't have picked up on the cultural pressures of TT not feeling good enough from a status perspective to RTZ without that convo. I heard that Weibo has an account for each character with added perspectives to give more POV (and on twitter I saw some of MM's perspectives translated about TT and they were so cute -> mainly about how she felt safe when TT is there at the house and how when the last time TT got kicked out her bubbly personality was markedly missed in the household).
I also like the side stories ramping up both medically and the romances. I saw a comment a while back that someone said in the early part of the story it seemed that it was TT that needed the most development/growth but now it's becoming apparent its RTZ, the master, and Rebecca that needs that at least in my opinion.
One side comment that made me a bit uncomfortable of this drama initially is the traditional gender roles being so strictly enforced. Like how the mom always defers to the dad, is nervous around him, caters to him -> I don't see that being reciprocated. I've seen K and C dramas moving away from this so I was a bit surprised to see that here. Also annoys me how the master calls RTZ "your son" to the mom lol.
- I thought RTZ was going to crash off a cliff b/c of the amount of times he stared at TT through the rearview mirror
- I think there was a time jump right?(that would explain why RTZ looks at TT differently now and seems to care more)
- Wish we were getting more TCM scenes with explanations tied in
- LOL at TT's laundry scene with the master
- TT can be a great property manager haha - she's so great with people
- wow Rebecca had a breakthrough!
- I LOVE gardening and enjoy all the scenes with plants in this show
- I really like the moms character, every time she smiles its so warm
- :o the new guy is so handsome!!!
As conflicted as I am about MM's role in the show - I want her to be okay and get the help she needs.
and I am also very nervous and curious about the MM buildup🫣
I was also wondering exactly what you described. Why is it that she was drawn to RTZ only? She talked to TT at the grocery store, she hugged the mom initially and seemed to trust her, and she also hugged TT when she didn't get kicked out of the program. But for the most part she's overly attached to RTZ with very minimal interactions with anyone else (she also carries around the stuffed toy he won for her.... is it like a safety blanket? something to cling on for anxiety?)
Maybe its the fact RTZ gives her constant attention unlike the other people (maybe she truly only feels safe with him because he's always there if she needs right now?). And it could also be like you said the mom declared TT to be the only girl allowed to live there.... MM could be feeling jealous or wanting to replace her own family with this family. Her story line needs to be addressed from more of a psychiatry perspective which the show has been lacking. As doctors RTZ's mom and dad should be able to step in and recommend treatment for MM and her family but his mom made it seemed like she was just kicking MM out to fend for herself which also probably triggered RTZ.
RTZ doesn't get attention from his dad (and it impacts him a lot) and MM doesn't get attention from either of her parents. That slight connection could be another reason why he feels so strongly to stand up for her? Maybe we will get more answers tomorrow?
There hasn't been a lot of dramas where there's been a character I find as confusing as MM (maybe if we knew what medical condition she had this would make more sense?). Let me start by saying I don't think RTZ has feelings for MM. He feels a sense of responsibility for her, and I think he's using moving out as an excuse to pressure his mom into letting MM live with them. I think in his mind he views MM in a more childlike way which is why he doesn't see where his behaviour crosses the line with her (where as with TT he says 'men and women shouldn't touch each other'). With TT he has conversations like an equal where as he tip toes on eggshells around MM.
The scenes MM has with RTZ are as close to a couple who has just started dating as it can get. Like when they were holding each other when they had stomach pains, RTZ sitting with MM as she falls asleep, her general codependency on him, the countless scenes of them watching sunsets and eating meals together.... Watching them I think eventually MM will start to have feelings for the male lead (if she doesn't have them already).
I also don't feel like MM's character is as child like as she is portrayed (but again really hard to evaluate without knowing her mental state/condition accurately). I don't think the male lead is qualified to cure her or provide her the care she needs which is the most disturbing part and the fact that the master can't figure that out is confusing me. Like she isn't better, what is RTZ doing to fix her? He won't be a permanent fixture in her life, her not working on her own issues and growing to depend on him more and more isn't helping anyone. MM's parents need to step up and do that family counselling thats clearly much needed here.
At this point of the show I don't think RTZ has romantic feelings for either MM or TT. TT and RTZ at this point are like siblings (but I do think they have a lot of potential for a slow burn romance and a really deep and enduring love. They already understand each other pretty well.). MM and RTZ also might be a really cute couple if MM works on her issues separate from RTZ. But like the mom is saying RTZ needs to distance himself from this girl before something tragic happens (which the show might be setting up for......) sigh. Didn't she have an ectopic pregnancy because a guy took advantage of her? Clearly she needs therapy, and not to get confused about feelings/relationships even more by the weird treatment RTZ is giving her. If I put myself in her position it would be so hard not to develop feelings for someone who treats you the way RTZ treats her.....