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I generally don't care who falls first just what they do once that's established and as for those two in particular, you're right I did feel that they would do anything for them for the most part? But did we get to really see it in general ? It was 90% the MLs making the big gestures and sacrifices etc ( Let's take SL did we get anything comparable to ML making lightning and messing with nature, loosing it and saving her, saying she saved his life by being alive, nursing her back to health in so many ways, dying for her etc) . My biggest gripe is that it feels like a pattern, like practically every romance drama nowadays has to have this particular dynamic. Take for example your profile picture which is Flower of evil, the ML was basically a househusband who did all the traditionally female roles of child rearing and house management etc and FL was the badass accomplished detective, he loved her utterly even before he understood himself and she in return did the same and they're an amazing otp. Same thing for something like You are my Glory where she has her career and it's incredibly important to her and so does he and they both find ways to put eo first and balance their relationship with their work. Fairy and devil is another great example where she's supposedly "weak" but showed such strength of character and morality and they both struggle with their loyalties to their people but they end up choosing each other at different junctures (she dies for him, he dies for her, he saves her, she saves him, he says she's my queen whether you like it or not and she goes into a torture chamber to prove herself worthy of the title, he goes to great lengths to bring her back, she waits years and does the same).

From the comments I've seen it's pretty bad but it depends on the person, some don't mind but quite a few people have an issue with it.

I understand all the intricacies and all that comes with being a woman in an ancient society or even a modern one as I am one and I've dealt with sexism and misogyny in relationships and elsewhere all that entails but there are definitely ways to show all of that and still have all of that and also make me believe in what is ultimately a romance and that these are two individuals who will do anything for each other, it certainly wouldn't negate these women's struggles or diminish their power. It's just all compounded because it's basically most dramas at this time. Something like Ming lan dealt with women's roles in society in such a delicate complex way and how the heroine had a hard time trusting the ML for a long time due to her trauma and it made perfect sense and then at the end she was ready to move heaven and earth for him because he earned it. We can have both and surely there can be a variety in dynamics, that's the beauty of fiction. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see women who are also allowed to be the saviors or the providers or the one doing the chasing, that's empowering in its own right too. I would also love couples where the FL is the one who is stronger and with more power either as a mythical creature or a CEO and the roles are reversed.

I'm a woman too and I prefer more equal relationships not just talking about the chasing though, even after they're together there's so much more emphasis on what the men are doing for the women and I appreciate that it all plays into the romantic fantasy but some balance and some reciprocity would be nice is all.

I came here to check out the comments because the premise of double reincarnation sounded interesting but now I'm scared lol. It seems it's another case of an uneven relationship where the ml is doing most of the emotional and physical labor, why are so many cdramas like this? Just this year all the big/popular titles fall under this trope, The double, Shen li, Amidst a snowstorm, Will love in spring, In blossom, Men in love, My boss, Your interpreter.
Why is it such a foreign concept to showcase a complex badass smart fl who is also just as madly in love with her significant other just as we've seen countless dramas with well written capable men who would do anything for the women they love.
P.s. This is not an indictment of these dramas' quality or any specific characters because I loved some of them but rather commentary on the general romantic beats in Chinese dramas this year.

Oh okay so this is definitely not my cup of tea, thanks for the responses I like equal romantic internal dynamics where both people in the relationship are willing to do anything for each other regardless of how their power dynamics manifest outside in society. If this was a case of him understanding her need for freedom and therefore giving into her because of it like you said but also at the same time her wrestling with that but ultimately loving him more than she wants that than yeah but otherwise not my style.

That sounds really interesting but I think maybe they changed the story for the drama? They tend to do that a lot and she's the one pushing him away as opposite to the novel, I hope they at least portray an equally devoted dynamic but that trailer and the usual track record of cdramas make me very doubtful.

I'm glad she's a feisty badass but can I ask, you talked a lot about their relationship from his side and how he doesn't let other people mess with her and gives her opportunities to leave the court etc but how is it from her side? Because from the preview it looks like she's always either storming off/stabbing him/ refusing to touch him. Is this the case of a badass lady also protecting and supporting her love interest as he does or it's just the ML doing that like most cdramas.

One of the things I loved is how competent everyone was, they found a way to have setbacks and worthy opponents while avoiding making the characters seem stupid or incompetent, I also really appreciated how much heart this show had, all the main characters had such kindness and compassion for each other and their victims and it was heartwarming to see.

Do you think they'll spend a couple of episodes on XH's revenge and her being his ride or die as you said in the novel ? It doesn't seem like they have enough time for it.

There aren't a lot of crime dramas that have female characters like this unfortunately but Secret forest has a great fl who is smart and knows how to fight, same thing for Signal, Fiery priest has a sfl who's a cop and a great fighter, City hunter's fl is a bodyguard, Nobody knows's lead is a female cop, Suspicious partner's fl is a lawyer who can fight as well.

I really enjoyed this show, good cases and great team chemistry, I loved that everyone was competent in their own ways and that the team's best fighters and drivers were the women, also one of the only shows that was clearly setting up a 2nd season from the start and it's not a cash grab that ruins the story because it got popular.

Yes I would love a review because it seems almost no one watched the show, hopefully we'll get some decent subs later.

Maybe, I certainly hope we get to see her helping him as much as he has or even a little bit close but I doubt it. I love them but they definitely do not fall under the "mutually supportive and devoted" category, their entire relationship is based on her going to him for help, he even gets pissy about it one episode, I don't doubt she's attracted to him or she trusts him, maybe even loves him? But that part is just not true. I often see people talk like this about couples when they mean just one person doing something and it's almost always the ML and if I read this without knowing anything about the show I would be expecting a completely different dynamic and be disappointed :)

I agree but I don't think "support each other whenever the most needed with all resources at hand " applies here although I'm not caught up yet because it's the case for him helping her in every way he can but I can't say the same is true the other way around unless I missed something, it's always been him helping her.

It's in the trailer for the show not the episodes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odg7r0vv9fI this one, she says "I'm willing to be part of your scheme, I want to help you, I'll hand my life over to you keep using me as your human pawn".

thanks, that's my favorite type of couple, badasses who are willing to do anything for each other. How faithful has the show been to the novel so far? Does she start to fall for him early or later? Because I think so far in the show she's only focused on revenge and I think they changed it in that he's the one who falls first in the drama not her which idk why but sure??

Does she help him in everything and every way too? Because in the trailer she tells him to use her as his pawn as well and that she'll help him and put her life in his hands. Also I think someone said in the novel she falls first ? Is that true because they changed it in the drama.

There's so much stupidity in the first episode alone, things that make absolutely zero sense. You mean to tell me a random girl comes up to this man when he's about to kill himself, tells him she's a lawyer and she knows things about him she's just supposedly guessing because she can "read" people and offers to help him and then a few days alter when he doesn't know her or anything about her, convinces him to stab the male lead when her reasoning doesn't even make sense because what do you mean "he's going to blame his sins on you" wtf does that even mean? I get suspension of disbelief but this is too dumb even for that.

So Sun Jae is allowed to spend 3 timelines doing everything in his power to protect Sol even at the cost of his life every single time but she's not allowed to erase their meeting to save him ? He can spend 2 timelines loving her and suffering for 15 years but she can't? It's romantic when he does it but not when she does? Not to mention he's obviously either time traveled as well or going to remember everything somewhow.