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Idk when is the last time I have seen an actor portraying yearning, pain ,fear so well while kissing, touching, looking . Haven't seen this in other dramas for a very long time.Imagine giving low rating and what if he don't get good roles in future? When his acting in no way average. I have seen lot of cases like this.I really want to see his future dramas. That's for sure.

I saw this on comment somewhere when ABO desire was airing and people were comparing it with Pit Babe. But not sure if this actually happened.

Tbh i kinda agree with the part that u clicked on toxic bl and u are surprised that it is this toxic? Yes I got surprised by lufeng toxicity. I have never seen a character as black flagged as him. I thought fan xiao was the limit but never thought lufeng will surpass that. But yes having a toxic ml was not unexpected. And i am here for it. Because this is TOXIC BL series for god sake.

But time and again this discussion is just going on and on. The only concerning and unacceptable thing is that if someone like lufeng. Let them like. If someone hate lufeng let them hate. If someone just want to enjoy series without taking side just let them. What's with this " i am shocked or I don't understand or I am concerned that how many people like lufeng or are on his side"... it would be so good that they say " i hate/ love lufeng and I don't understand how they can like" it's much better. The problem is that liking/ hating fictional character does not always resembles a person's mindset.

Also that being said lufeng is not a character whom one can categorised either as good or bad nor yichen is like that. Both had their own flaws. Both had their own goodness. lufeng rape thing is unacceptable to everyone. Some are ready to look past it because he is a fictional character and God even writters gave him therapy...yichen chose lufeng period.

The differentiation and discussion between fiction and real life and approving of certain things should happen in a proper way. U can understand lufeng pov but in real life u can hate people like lufeng. I guess this is something so hard to understand.

One thing I would say in thriller, suspense, mystery mostly people agree on right side. So maybe it's their first time handling this kind of drama. Plus I also am the person who think that drama/movies kinda shows how society is working and questions it's audience ONLY when no one was talking about problematic behaviour. Here we all agree lufeng has done something unforgivable. So no one is defending lufeng on that. Idk from where and why this Convo is coming again and again.

Oh now i remember net playing the comic role in Khemjira. His role was short but yess...I am not aware of Restart as his upcoming series. But yes if Net is there apart from green flag ml ( i am little bit tired of seeing him in green flag roles )added to watchlist.

About JJ, i don't have any problem with his acting. His Nakhun and Klao character differentiation yes done well. But thank God someone also beliefs that he has some room of development in crying or his acting skills. Because i thought I was the only one. He can always learn. What's imp is that Net and JJ feel comfortable around each other.

I would say it's actually not easy to play a historical/ costume dramas as first major role. The way u speak, carry urself, walk, tone, accent lot of things. But they both did that. So they are by no means bad actor. Same goes with comedy, it's hard to write s script that is comic, it's hard to read even a simple line of comedy and make audience laugh and at the same time not let us feel cringe. It's hard for comic series to stay in heart.I would wait for them to take this challenge and give us another series.

Net is such a good actor. Idk how he can play a comic role but I see him more on serious side or an actor who is capable in taking complex, layered roles. It's hard to imagine him in comic role but yes he kinda give a glimpse in bed friend. Still he was on serious side.

I wish I see him in red flag area. Because I have always seen him in green flag dramas.

For JJ yes, he can take comic role easily as in this drama as well i find certain scenes where I was expecting more depth but all I could get him portraying a character who is playful in nature. but given that he is very young and new and paired with net who is so good. His acting needs definitely needs to level up. Because sometimes his crying scenes, suspense scenes comes out well. But in the scenes where he needs to portray love. Idk i just don't feel anything about it on that aspect.

I am not in the correct position to either agree or disagree. Because i need to understand this stockholm syndrome. So many time i have heard. Now time for research. But I will take ur point to be noted and after understanding what truly stockholm syndrome is i will reflect on this.

Cdrama has not given that level of complexity and analysis of diff characters in recent years. Its good that atleast I am able to enjoy straight cdrama again with splendid match and mo li. Otherwise my watchlist is just filled with bl.

But in novel did he? Or this is just in drama. Because in novel i haven't read this part.

Correct for me also it depends highly on mood. The biggest mistake I watched "your name engraved herein'" before knowing the catholic beliefs and Taiwan history. I was not understanding a thing.

Also pretty strange i am also wanting to watch bad buddy, sotus, tharntype. But oh god the no of time i have dropped those series i can't tell u. Specially tharntype. Similarly eclipse ( bl) i didn't understood. I don't know why these old niche bl dramas just don't click me.

After this I surely need therapy and cute dramas like when oranges fall.Rest toxic dramas can wait. Am literally questioning with these many dramas(bl, straight) how I am supposed to live a normal functioning human life???😅

Ep 12 trailer is soo sweet. Looks like we are getting ep1-2 vibes in last ep. I see lufeng going under treatment. Which is good and is needed. How to wait till Friday????

Viki has two things right. One is free episodes that it comes late and viki pass which let user see ep quickly. If i am not wrong currently mo li has released 7 ep and in viki pass( i don't have) it released 5 ep and for free 3 ep. Viki free ep just release one ep per day for user to watch.

Now, coming to ur ques about my waiting part. I have all the reasons to not take viki pass if I am not convinced enough. But none of these relates to my emotion or state of waiting. It has no relation.

About 'you' part. Ok. We both misunderstood each other on that. So leave about it.

No i guess u are misinterpreting my post. I have disney plus sub, Amazon prime sub, netflix sub everything. But if in Disney+ i am not finding this drama because of region restrictions what can I do? I don't want to get viki sub because of my personal reasons as that app crashes a lot. Lot of times, it just gets stuck at one screen and u can't see any controls of back or forward or anything. That reason only is my major concern of not taking viki sub. Plus lot of chinese app like iqiyi or wetv is banned in my country. We don't even have tiktok so what can I do? Also about schedules i am not saying to release all 40 ep in one go and give me preference over residents of China.

Sometimes users have this kind of comment not for the sake of saying that ok just release it for the free in all go. Where u want to enjoy everything free without paying or understanding platform's position. But sometimes u need to understand people can't stream in official platforms because of govt restrictions. My post about viki is in a way that waiting for ep is hard. But it's definitely not in a way u are interpreting or complaining about my pov of platform altogether.

Also, please I would refrain u to assume about my nature or opinion about the platforms or schedule or anything based on just line of a comment. It seems personal and I am not ok with that.

Yeah by no means i am going to drop this drama unless it's too boring. Yes I love character depth and we got that in ep1 and 2. It's just that till ep2 plot is what I am not understanding. I love stories with both character depth and plot. So far it's still very early to judge and like u said ep4-5 is plot twist. Which I think is still early. But it's good because once I get plot i will be more invested in drama.

From 2nd ep, i would say the way dialogues were written is so good. The caps part and the way ye li don't just quickly adjust to capital life but is taking time to adjust and compare is such a fresh thing to see.

The way ye li just understood that prince ding is not coming out of study because of that astrologer lv. And the way she goes to seek his identity search shows she knows how to read the situation.

It was sad to see the life of prince ding the one who was lively, fun, strong person to get converted into a life where he just became the prisoner in his own residence, the way he just do whatever he was told and quietly suffer, he who hates pity, he who has fought with the army and still lost legs but more than that it's sad to know that he got misunderstood by his own people and that whole altar thing...it was soo sad to see that he was just got limited to a subject who should take all the beatings and punishment for whatever happened that night. And ye li understood it.

Their whole interaction in the bath scene, she knew he don't want to talk about that punishment. So she just said about her life in mountain to keep him company. I loved that. And ep2 made me confirmed about the part that ye li actions towards prince ding is very caring because of the past encounter and little bit of admiration from that time. I loved that she notice prince ding's movement whether he is taking meals or not. Whether he is sick or he is copying sutras in dark or not. She is a detailed person.

Also that maid of ye li with whom she talk on a deeper level and sleeps. Idk such a sister bond. Ye li seems to be very deeply attached with her and seeks comfort in her. I like their bond.

Ye li came out to be a mature, observant of her surroundings and take actions accordingly, caring and devoting person as of now.

However, i am just very much curious to know what exactly is the connection between lishan academy and politics that is taking place in palace. How that affected everything because that seems the root cause of everything that's going on. But i know it will take time to disclose this.

Why don't viki just released all episodes as it airs. 😕

Watched 2 episodes. And i would say by first impression i think i had too much expectations from this drama. Not that it's bad but it's also not too good. Pretty average. But since it's too early to judge i would like to see how this drama goes as the story progresses.

I wish I can go on and on about xiang lu. God those two season wait for nothing when FL never even understood that xiang lu loved her so selflessly. He was one of a kind. I can't discuss here as this is not correct place. But the way cdrama portrays their character idk i always get amazed by their level of writing.

With all due respect I disagree. In my opinion, i think stockholm syndrome is when someone tortures other person and the other party starts feeling deeply attached to the person who is torturing them.

Here, the case is different at least in my opinion. Both yichen and lufeng loved each other since the starting of series. Although they were separated for a very long time they still loved each other. So when lufeng tortured him even during non consensual sex for the first time or office rape or after imprisonment I see lufeng and yichen as two lovers who are giving pain and torture to each other. But still love exist between them before that.
That's why I don't think their relationship is based on stockholm syndrome.

Yes u can argue that after this near death experience of yichen. When yichen will choose lufeng it can classify as stockholm syndrome. But even then the novel made it very clear that yichen still loved lufeng even when he was bringing guys to sleep or showing affection to ke lo was sparking jealousy in yichen for that very reason. Also in novel it was again cleared by stating from yichen's pov " i know I should hate lufeng. I know i have let down all the people around me. But what is this feeling deeper than hatred. " And the ans was love. So time and again yichen chose lufeng not because of stockholm syndrome but because he still love lufeng.

But having said that i actually am very new to the concept of stockholm syndrome and it's a topic that needs to be dealt with care. I will read about this topic more from my side.

But also I would love to know why u think that their relationship is based on stockholm syndrome.

The problem is that i specifically made MDL account to discuss freely. I commented this much in this drama section because I had lot of emotions towards each character whether lufeng or yichen or anyone or the situation. I just wanted to say what I was feeling and who knows get some relief from my heart. And sadly, now my whole opinion idk if it's still my opinion or a influenced one. Idk where I stand wrt to the characters.

I just love layered characters. U get to explore each side of a character one by one or all together. Writing that level of character is hard. And even more so acting.
Maybe i should just stick to chatgpt for any kind of conversation because atleast even if chatgpt has to agree or disagree, it doesn't attack me.

The amount of comments i made( which i don't know why) and seeing other people comments. They literally tried to convince that lufeng deserves all hate and yichen deserves all love and care and protection. And that made me ques today that wait this is not what the story is. The story is fictional and taking sides and real life comparison is ok. But thats what not this story is trying to portray. The story is about two people who deeply love each other at one point got separated and the gap widens and it came to the point of no return eventually. But then again the story is about them at the end to be together( we are getting happy ending as shown in today's trailer) so they chose each other.

Sure add all complexities, morality and what not. But the story is at the end about them. Both love each other and both suffers. One just let suffering say and one just endures. One just actually mean what he promise and never let go of the person he deeply love. And one just isn't courageous to take the stand and instead sabotage sometimes.

These comments omg were so much on taking stand mode either lufeng or yichen. Portraying that yichen is the victim( which he is) but at the end why time and again he goes back to lufeng( eg- after separation by marriage). Again people coming to say that as if lufeng will not find him and what not. But that time yichen went on his own will. Lufeng didn't found him. So i can't believe the concept of stockholm syndrome here where love was already there and then even after separation and no codependence yichen still went back to lunfeng. Also people are forgetting that lufeng also suffered. By separation, by not getting closure and suddenly yichen just came to ask for forgiveness. Who can ever forgive and not be angry?

Again do not preach me here moral values and ethics that lufeng did wrong. I know he did wrong. I am not defending him.

Last time I saw these kind of strong sides and attacking is when I was watching Pursuit of Jade. Where people were only have one choice that is to like the series. Here also, i am feeling same energy that u need to hate lufeng. Why to impose a certain opinion? Why to take sides?

I wish in series they would have portrayed that how yichen was also not able to let go of lufeng.

Tbh i Happy that this series is ending. Because this drama and whole take stand thing has spoiled my emotional health.

I think she faced a lot during her time in mountain. And something related to her mother. Not sure I just completed watching ep1