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I understand ur point and concern and tbh it's a very valid one. But one thing I think different here. I think including SA in drama should not be stopped not now. Because I tell u I know someone who got SAed and yes he was male. But i can't help him because society still thinks that men can't be raped and there is no law for it. See we are moving towards an era where we are fighting for the rights of LGBTQIA+ and some countries now allowed them but still same sex marriages are not allowed and i thank God rn because there is no law to protect them. If a country doesn't even recognise that men can be raped how we are ever going to give justice to people. Does that mean I want drama to romanticise rape? No. No No.
I want drama to show that this is not ok and it's s heinous crime. It's inhumane no matter any gender or sexual orientation.

It was a long way we handled these themes in straight couples and drama where I myself has witnessed so many movies where girl needs to marry man who raped her... disgusting but we spread awareness and now no one think this. Same we are fighting for marital rape...we need dramas to deal with these themes to spread awareness and education just never never romanticise it and handle it with care. Simple. Eg- light beyond reed( straight drama), the effect( thai bl).

Now, this show never romanticise rape and never gave them happy ending. What they got is togetherness after treatment but not happiness. It's completely fine if u haven't watched because tbh rape is no joke and not everyone can handle these themes or sometimes we are not in correct mindset to watch these themes. Because again it shatters the soul of the person and victim...

Now, who are shipping i can't say about them why and what and who? I can say why, what and who about my pov.

As long as i respect ur opinion. I hope u understand my point and not generalise that whoever loved this show shipped them after ep4 or romanticise rape.

People are not. No one was shipping them. But ig it's a series of events. Both were suffering. Both were toxic. Lufeng actions were unforgivable. After ep4, u need to understand yichen's pov. He was scared that he will loose lufeng to death. He realised that how much he want to be together with him so he agreed to be with him. Does it sound stupid? Yes. But it is what it is.

After ep4, they again had a very beautiful connection so passionate. It doesn't cancel lufeng's action but agree or not agree as per story yichen was happy with him so much so that he count those days also as his most beautiful days apart from school relationship.

And agree or not. It's a fact that toxic dramas has themes dealing with SA. I would say the drama never romanticise these actions nor the audience. None. Infact, throughout the drama u will see the consequences and till the end ep they will show how this matter and obsession need to be treated. Plus the ending imo is not a happy ending. It's very bittersweet. Ofcourse, perspective matters. Good day :)

Yes. It's worth it. Just know that it's not fulffy drama. It deals with heavy themes

Oh yeah...mo li is also in my watch list. Ep3😩. We are sisters here.

And suddenly I am busy....love for you( behind), road to success( not even started), eternal fragrance already behind by 10 ep, never ending summer(behind), nanyang mystery ( behind), chinese variety show, lots of watchlist drama that are airing...june and july is surely busy....and still somehow all i can think of is love for u and eternal fragrance both are having SWL...how to have a normal functioning adult life with this???

Ok...just to let u know I was not even saying anything against or taking any stand. Not understanding from where this much aggression is coming. Infact untamed is my all time fav drama. Idk if u are saying that u understood everything in first go when u were watching or what idk. But anyways what u think is ur opinion.

Edit:- i don't like when someone uses offensive words specially when I am respectfully replying. Not everyone uses these words in their life. So please it would be good if u respect that.

But the untamed has no cinematic masterpiece elements. Maybe from 2019 standards but not from today. It's main and the most appreciated thing is the story. And that too if only u know the novel story, it makes more sense. Because drama will not explain u the way novel explains. Whether it be a plot or romance. Coming from a person who just love the untamed and I have watched untamed 3 times, read novel 5 times, watched anime both in Japanese and Chinese version 2 times, listened audiobook also.

I am not going to deny that characters are poorly written. I am saying this from the start and I have maintained this position till the end. Simple.
But the story has something that keeps u hooked. In my opinion it was soooooo toxic that it still has lingering impact on me. Although idk what for u heavy serious themes means. If u want to recommend something I will give it a try. Also cinematography, it's a subjective matter. For me colour grading, props, costumes everything should get contributed to plot. That's enough for me. It doesn't have to be of PoJ ( straight drama) like. Again give me recommendations i will check it out.

When someone says BOC I only remember kinnporche and Shine. Although they have high production value but the story is not everyone's cup of tea specially Shine as it requires little bit knowledge of thai history around that time and the world. Unfortunately, i used to sleep in my world history class. So the entire drama didn't made any sense to me. 😶

Ep2, and I have lots of doubt. So please someone ans me.

So ML don't live in his home and live in dorm?

Why is that FL went to no1 high school and ML went to vocational secondary high school? Aren't their parents dating? Then why FL call ML's father as uncle? And isn't the household and children duty should be mutual? Or they just decide that i will earn money and make my girl go to best school?

Why FL's mother now when she has job and money to even buy a gold ring or bracelet, she is still living with ML's father? And I know they are not married or official so why ML's mother wipe off lipstick and remove earring? As if she is saying that i don't have anyone?

Also i think FL and FL's mother relationship is based on misunderstanding. FL clearly was left to live in village while her mother is with someone else and then when she came back. She took FL with her to Teng city which arises hope in her that finally she can have a happy life. But it's what the opposite of it. And now ig she don't think her mother worry about her. She is wanting her time but FL mother is dedicated to her daughter. I hope they resolve this. Also what just happened with FL mother? What's her story???

And it pained me so much to see how young ML was going through abuse. Afterall he was a child. He could be showing that i am tuff but he too was scared. And FL although she is mature and understand this is wrong. But she was also the child and the only thing that she can do was to see the abuse and comfort him by making food and giving lollipop. She showed understanding and empathy when a young child was needing it. Ig that's where the bond start to form between them..from enemies to friends....i loved how ML was protective of her.

How is this drama so far??? Is it worth watching?

Ep1, Jing yi really knows how to pick good script. Although I am very much against with step siblings trope. i think it's well handled here. Two parents never married each other and the FL's mother ig she don't want to have romantic relationship with ML' s father. It's like she is using him to get job so that they can get settled somewhere in Teng city. Concept of family is very subjective. When they say " we are a family" it doesn't mean they need to have a proper defined relationship to be a family. They understood each other as someone who is living under same roof and share joy and pain. That's family for them.

Now about drama, ig drama potrayed so well since the start that ML don't and can't see FL as his sister. In first he said I will never let them to come at my house and live but the next moment after meeting FL he bring fruits. I love how both FL and ML are clear about the idea that although they are sharing home for whatever reasons..they don't see each other as family.

Another thing good about this drama is that it shows how hard is to get adapted to the new changes. Bringing two people at home and say ok now we are family and u just accept it is not how things work. They showed this in drama. FL is mature and knew how imp is for them to have a roof and at the same time she understand how hard it is for ML to accept her and her mother. They constantly tease each other. ML despite showing he don't care but his actions shows he cares for FL little bit just quietly. Afterall a child going through abuse surely shows affection in queit way so as to not harm others and take all the punishment to themselves. It's sad that how a child has to go through all these things when they deserve only love while growing up.

Another point I like it is opening scene where ML is talking about his trauma and seeking therapy ,a thing which was surely not talk about much in 2011..which also means he was bruised enough to go and seek help.

Another thing to highlight is that what a beautiful cinematography and colour grading...it actually gives u the feel and vibes of 1997 and 2011. From wall painting to floor and even the way refrigerator and tables were set up....pure nostalgia. It made me miss the times of early 2000s.

Since, i have watched only ep1, i think the FL's mother had it hard. There has to be something bad that happened otherwise why would a rich women will leave everything without job and move to diff city with a person whom she barely knew. Just to get a job so she was not even in love. Stinks desperation to get out of a situation to me.

I respect ur opinion. But in my pov cdrama are much better than kdrama. It's not about historical accuracies ( chinese censorship won't let them pass if there is inaccuracies found) but because of story lines.

Let me break it down.
1. When I watch any historical kdrama I feel like the focus is always only in romance or majority in romance.( Name me one which doesn't have). But in cdrama it's diff it's either completely romance, mix of both romance and politics or politics only.

2. In cdrama, atleast u have variety. Any girl in tang, ming dynasty has more story. Sometimes she can be a person who is skilled in flower( flourished peony), sometimes in postmortem( coroner dairy), or sometimes a girl skilled in martial arts who is trying to escape from marriage( zhan zhao adventures), sometimes a girl with bad childhood( love like a galaxy) and not to mention these stories doesn't include prince/ king as her romantic partner. But in kdrama it's always romantic arc with prince who will become king/ king. I see no variation there.

3. Cdrama often comes with more court politics even in romance oriented. But kdrama once they meet FL whole thing just shift to romance with politics as pinch of salt.

China does produces more wuxia and palace oriented drama than korea but in cdrama even revenge plots( lengend of zhang hai, nirvana in fire) are more interesting to me than any historical kdrama I have ever watched in my life. Plus for me cdrama helped me in understanding administration parts of history when I was studying but i get no knowledge like that from kdrama.

Plus comparing makes no sense to me. Both countries has clearly diff stories to tell with diff main plot. But still in my opinion if I have to choose any historical kdrama and historical cdrama i will always choose cdrama. It's my preference and opinion.

U are free to disagree with me. But i am just stating my opinion.

Before i say anything just know that I am not opposing u. U have ur own opinion and I have mine. So no comment on that.

My main problem is with speed and love is that...they actually made whole confusion thing of FL handled bad. Allow me to explain. When FL was with ML and they were speeding to save themselves and they met their group and ML introduced FL as his gf. And he was close with her physically but still they were thinking of each other as brother and sister. Then one time when ML was fixing geyser and FL was staring at his waist attractively...it already crossed the line of siblings. So emotionally also she and he both were not treating each other as brother and sister and this is ep2-3. So i dont understand why the drama has to pull and push the FL feelings and make the situation worse. Because agree or not agree in most places even step brother and adoptive brother is illegal. Even cousin thing also. So they should have handled the whole thing better. Otherwise it's not first time adoptive brother and step brother concept was shown.

U can take the example of never ending Summer. Drama makers knew what they are doing. They didn't showed FL mother married to ML father so people were actually receptive towards it.

I have to drop speed and love because of this.
Never ending summer despite having a very good story I just had very hard time watching it because FL mother was in relationship with ML father for a very long time( not married). And although I get her desperation but she ain't no good person but the good thing is that she was aware that she is taking advantage of ML and she is also selfish little bit. Otherwise it's good.

Same here. I love FL here. She has given good strong FL characters. Plus for FL, when i watched Reborn i was truly impressed by the script except few things. Fingers crossed.

Am I thinking too much or is it actually a fact that promotion for this drama is not good?

Thanks

Sigh. The very fact that in recommendation list "speed and love" and "never ending summer" is there already tells u. But atleast in "never ending summer" i thank heavens to not let her mother marry ML father.

My problem here is to not show this whole step thing or adopted thing like "speed and love" because tbh it's a fact that speed and love handled incest too badly. Wdym that one time u are seeing ur adopted brother in attractive way and hold hands and blushing and saying at the same time to others in the table "oh !! I am related to him like blood sister" 😑

Fingers crossed 🤞. Let's hope this drama hasn't handled or have themes circling around incest.

Since when??? 😅😳 I thought he is just a good person.

Perspective matters. For me this drama is making me move on from my cdrama slump. Plus it's s proper xianxia drama. There are things that can be improved. But it's good overall till now.