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I was talking about show. Idk why YC bought house when lufeng was about to go to therapy.

In novel, after coming out for coma. He had one house on rent. And ig he used to make money that time from his shop to pay ig to lufeng. But lufeng used to visit his house. His living condition was poor. His house often used to run down and yichen could barely eat/ afford instant noodles. When lufeng said that he don't need to live in this poverty yichen denied and said he don't want to move back in his house. Because it was scary. How could yichen trust lufeng after all that happened.

But actually song wei long drama "eternal fragrance" is airing. His fandom will be busy. And FL has acting talent. Saw her in Reborn so good.

Why same day release means competition? Do we need to choose one drama? And support one? We can choose to watch both and love both or any. It depends on plot, acting.

If success should be decided only with popular idols then idk what to say here.

I actually agree with everything u said. Lufeng pov was imp because book never touches it from his pov just yichen's feelings were compromised but it make sense if story is from lufeng side because most of the time yichen is bad communicator so lufeng actually almost never understood how yichen feels with certainty.

But I will give one thing to lufeng. He has done lot of unforgivable things but he was also the person who was ready to start over and over again with yichen from zero. His logic was simple just to see yichen( till the last). He just never wanted yichen to disappear on him. But i understand his feelings from where he is coming.

Idk what series added which was chef kiss. But for me the whole school days relationship of them was soo beautiful. The way they used to look at each other and smile fully. ( Ayden's fault for making me fell in love with his smile). I remember one scene apart from chocolate one where lufeng was moving himself closer to yichen when he was explaining remote control games yichen played on his childhood. Shows how he is falling in love with him and how he is entering yichen's life. So beautiful. Another one my fav was when yichen was sleeping on bench and lufeng after playing basketball came and saw him there admiring his Beauty. How to forget that. Plus one more scene when yichen fell from push and the first time lufeng saw yichen and the look lufeng had was sooo mesmerizing like he was mesmerized by yichen's beauty. Those school days were sooo good.


About yichen and lufeng lukewarm situation, i remember from novel. Both were obsessed. Since it was never shown that way in drama. It's understandable why people think yichen was having traits of machosit.

About yichen and his brother no say.

One doubt why yichen bought that house of lufeng for giving him stable environment? What's the logic? He make things over complicated.

Novel part i will read later. In cooling off phase.

Finally most awaited drama is going to air. Hope the story will be good

But it actually is a proper xianxia after Love beyond the grave which I didn't liked much. Like tbh i was waiting a lot because these days proper xianxia is not coming. Mostly are wuxia and period dramas. Maybe they don't like something but still rating is too low. I am in very early ep so can't say anything. But atleast it's not bad. It was little bit funny.

Some people do. But overall let's see how it goes till the end to decide reviews. I am liking it so far. My cdrama slump is recovering because lately I was not able to complete anything from xianxia category after When destiny brings the demon- Long for fish. Because TTEOTM and LBFAD has set standard so high in 2023.

It was actually shocking to me. Generally cdrama don't get this low rating specially idol romance drama. Last i saw this low rating in ZZA but that was pure wuxia with no romance arc and rebirth sigh. That's why I asked. Because this low rating implies plot is bad( for me). Personal preference also comes here. Like for me Mo li aka The First Jasmine or LBTG didn't worked. Although I do agree FL is not a good actress( my opinion) but ML just gave good acting in Shine On Me. So i was confused. Plus cinematography actually made me feel good in ep1. So fairy...like one can expect in Xianxia.

About yichen's pov it would be better if you read book as drama don't explain well. It's downside. But tbh drama is very very very dark so read accordingly.

About Zhou lan first be clear in drama she married a person who loved her after her divorce. So no need to feel bad for her. As to why she married yichen in first place idk. In drama it's very confusing if she knew or not. But in book as far as i remember, she never knew yichen didn't loved her and yichen unlike in drama he himself proposed after lot of consideration to marry her.

Actually it's been long since i am teleported to another world like TTEOTM and LBFAD . So i was feeling that vibe. So fairy tale type. I love it.

Why rating is soo low. Is it really that bad? I just completed ep1 although it's too early to judge but i an having my fingers crossed as this gives me old 2023 xianxia vibes. But really is it bad?

Also if u look closely I think in drama they have told numerous times by showing cage, bird, diff colour grading and clothes choice in every phase of their relationship and the sunflower petals falling and then chains over bed then double pendulum. Plus their intimacy couch also guided correctly if i remember yichen after getting scarred from lufeng he just lied in bed in cocoon shaped. And that posture specifically means hurt and a person seeking protection.

Not sure about sequel. Because i remember the transaction i follow was of negative translations and he/she stopped translating after 3rd volume. So i haven't and was not able to find later volumes and sequel in English translation. If u have can u share me link.

And one thing i understood about lan lin that i am never going to read or watch her works. She has capability of making my mental health ruin. Till this date i am just stuck at DH emotionally can't focus on any other drama despite trying. The main thing this journey gave to audience is complete roller coaster ride. A story which is actually story no matter what writing. But it had capability to keep it's viewers watch the series till the end and not drop it whether u like it or not like it. This series questions u and society and the gives the consequences after each wrong. Even happy ending is not possible in true sense no matter what u do. And I like it here. As u said after all these toxicity it makes sense to left ending feeling bittersweet to give msg that no one can leave soul can't be scarred after all these. And that both book and drama don't promote toxicity

For responsibility now that i think about it deeply I guess yichen is also suffering of his wrong decision and his toxicity by dealing with lufeng bipolar disorder. Because of he hadn't abandoned lufeng again and again that disease was never going to became that bad. But again that is the tragedy for both of them.

My issue remains same. Lufeng was toxic like hell. Show showed, book showed, movie showed, we as audience understood. But yichen's toxicity was hidden. Lot of people don't understand that how toxic his behaviour was. Him not putting efforts and fighting for relationship was soo toxic. Not in level of lufeng but it was. And not talking about that and hiding it under the mask of filial responsibility and sacrifices is not justified.

That one line was so touching. I remember when I read book. I was like yichen don't u ever go back to lufeng after this. But when he took bullet and he was saying " i should hate u. But what is this feeling deeper than hate",i guess it's better for us to stop here". And after yichen coming out of coma the first word he said is " lu..feng, lu...feng" and throughout their time I just loved little details. How yichen was managing shop and how lufeng used to wait outside in the car. They didn't shared much Convo. Just them talking formally. The way he used to just drop him home and walk on alley. Although lufeng wanted to start afresh. Yichen was too much in his cocoon that I will be just taking money and not having convo. That cool off phase was soo imp. The way lufeng used to go to his house full of water and he just keep yichen who is still recovering and weak in bed and he clear the water...the care he showed later. How about little things lufeng was wanting more and still he knew he need to maintain distance i liked that maturity but the cost of that maturity was high which used to make my mouth sour. (Was expected) And how during yichen's going to his brother in the car he realised that the deeper feeling which he was finding ans what was that is nothing but love. He knew he should not love him after all these but he still love him. I just hate how in drama they toned down yichen's pov of feelings.

Everything was ok. But i can't forgive DH makers to not include yichen's pov just like book that how he used to feel towards lufeng. He wanted him to initiate intimacy but it was not happening and the way in the car he chose to initiate by trying to touch his hand and hold it was intentionally not reciprocated by lufeng. And then he was sad. That how lufeng everyday used to wait below yichen's home till light went off and never come. When yichen wanted that. That thing was imp because it clearly gave reader knowledge that yichen actually is wanting from all his heart to accept lufeng and his love with intimacy.

In drama they actually cut down lot of yichen's part. Which led to audience believe that yichen is suffering from trauma bonding or stockholm syndrome but in fact he was always wanting to be with him deep down. That's why after 20 years separation he always used to think " what even I am thinking that he will still love me and forgive me".

Yichen's pov was compromised here. But i think it's kind of good also because in novel we know less of lufeng. Show make up for it. Another thing is that show makers wanted to give their so called Happy ending because of that they need to tone down lufeng and intentionally make him forgivable later( except SA) so that we know how he was also suffering. Just yichen's pov should have been added more.

I guess u are going very harsh here. I respect you and ur love for show. I have seen ur comments since the beginning of this show and u are still here means u genuinely love the show. It has to has some element right for someone to get this addicted?

But very respectfully, people can have very different opinions and they can still not like this drama. I started this drama when it was airing and tbh for me after they land into army camp. Somethings just didn't worked for me. Mine was actually genuine ques that although FL was trained by her father. How can she just outwit big generals and how she can defeat the main person in battle without getting injured seriously. See in my logic, war tactics are cruel. They actually had disadvantage they were stuck at valley with less food. Ur army morale is going down. Plus FL had never seen war. City massacre was little of what she saw but war is massive. U never know how and when someone just attack u. And this is imp for me because there was multiple mentions from her shifu that she can now lead the army. It just doesn't work that way. Leading army is not just about physical strength. It requires master planning, understanding geography and climate and provisions, how much men is there and leadership qualities plus lots and lots of training. And she is going to become general later after war experiences so this is imp. But i can still think ok this is drama let's leave that detail and just enjoy.

Second thing that didn't worked for me was politics. Agree or not agree. Till 27 ep i still didn't had any clue who is this enemy and what kind of person he is. History between them and the SML connection. I get it it's a drama and things will unfold slowly but i heard( because i dropped before that in ep27) that politics will come from 34-35 ep anyways (30+ ep) for a 40 ep drama i feel that's a misbalance in political aspect when u are exploring politics and provision case truth since ep1.

Since I haven't completed the drama I will not comment on the parts i haven't watched. But that was my decision to drop this drama and later start continue because maybe i might not been in correct energy to recieve this drama. But as an viewer if i am not feeling connected with story or finding some flaws then i should have right to say right? I have the right to like or dislike. It doesn't mean i am saying this drama is bad or the ones who loved it they only loved because of beautiful cinematography. But agree or not agree there are certain people who watched this drama because of cinematography. Because agree or not agree some people did watched this drama because of zhang linghe handsomeness. Because agree or not agree people were more mesmerized by romance and not politics because it's a truth that politics was handled very late in the drama. If someone is just saying their opinion i don't think they need to be called out. They have their own preference and own taste. Afterall liking a drama is a subjective matter and we all need to be open towards other people. Because it's their place also to share and exchange opinion. Because believe it or not when one see MDL rating of 9 they expect perfect writing. With almost no to minimal flaw. Or are we here saying this drama is superior than "the untamed" , " joy of life" , " scarlet heart", "TTEOTM". If according to them this drama doesn't deserve 9.1 rating then it's their pov right? MDL already has seen the verdict of 9.1 so it has people's love. They are just understanding why? Why despite then trying to give their all they still can't like it. And tbh their ques is also valid right? We often ques that what is that i am not able to feel connected with this story but others can. So it's not wrong. But always defending and whoever don't like without understanding their pov it's wrong to just give harsh replies.

I hope u understand that I am still respecting u and ur liking towards this show and people who loved this. But what i am saying is to equally understand that some just can't like because of their own reasons which is also valid. Otherwise no harsh feelings towards anyone or show.

For the first point. I am not going to talk about this. I have a very strong opinion about alcohol. Lufeng being drugged and engaged in prostitution was consensual sex. Just that timing was wrong. He was pursuing yichen seriously so it makes sense of yichen's stand and I also felt that way but I don't blame him.

In novel, where yichen was raping his son's bf. I don't care. Who what why. I hate lufeng. I hate yichen. Simple. Rape is rape. I understand yichen's position that he truly wanted to control himself but he did raped. Lufeng involved an innocent person. Both are wrong. I don't blame yichen to get drugged by lufeng but I hate him there. Simple. This impacted me so much that I hate yichen till the last for this. This was the very incident I just hate in novel apart from other things. But i thank people of DH makers to not include this scene as it actually helped me to forgive little bit of lufeng and yichen seeing as victim.

In drama, both yichen and lufeng was loyal to each other. But still always makers has to show lufeng in bad light because it's there in source material.

In novel, it was clear that he got indulged in sex with qin lang. Lufeng we don't know as novel's first person is yichen like u said. I can't rely on that. Because this scene connects directly with drama lufeng where both lufeng and yichen just provoking each other and telling lies. I still don't blame both lufeng and yichen in their separation time afterall 4 years is a long time. One can try to move on or indulge with diff people when they are not dating and future about relationship is uncertain.

I think the office provoke part just exist so that lufeng after knowing all these just leave him. But it went opposite.

Interesting because even if yichen didn't slept with qin lang in drama. He was genuinely trying to move on and the fact that he felt played and lost self esteem was no less than what he experienced in novel. Because more than physical intimacy, emotional intimacy matters to me. But in drama even that was not there so it makes sense for yichen to not loose complete trust in his brother. But his brother felt and acted the same like in novel. Always blaming lufeng. Now, later he did took advice from his brother. But it came with additions also like supporting yichen during lufeng therapy and house buy which was not there in book. In novel, i see its just gone. After ur explanation.

Now the point of yichen asking for leaving lufeng firmly after mention of ke luo was consistent both in drama and novel. I also felt that. Just drama reduced intensity. And this is my problem with DH drama, drama never shows how exactly yichen is feeling. How he still love lufeng and how much deep inside he also want lufeng to recognise and love him. Which was mentioned clearly in book. But in drama there is one song which plays in bg when lufeng was bringing people at home just to show him " mei you ni" i guess the translation of the song that i followed says " i don't find u here. U are not here. I promise u, I promise u that in next life I will find you and we will be together never to be apart for which we are too broken in this life" that depicts yichen's stance for me. I loved that song. Ke luo actually hurt him. I think ke luo was imp in realising that yichen still wants romantic companionship with lufeng because of his jealousy. He was still ok with people coming to lufeng in his house( impact his self esteem and body inferiority complex) but lufeng giving emotional imp and care to ke luo was harsh on him. He was just not able to see lufeng showing romantic gesture( in yichen's pov) to ke luo. That's why the only hope that maybe maybe lufeng still loved him was lost and he said I can't take it anymore just let me go. Plus he was also tired of the emotional torture from lufeng. Drama toned it down a lot thank God.
But lufeng in novel omg the things made yichen suffered i just felt yichen u better get out and never see him.i hate lufeng there. He was doing things that can break a person's soul. Getting intimate in front of his own son and sending rape clips to his son yuck. Inhumane. Just inhumane.

My issue is not lufeng taking responsibility or accountability. My issue is biasedness. Relationship only works when both party make equal efforts. If lufeng was wrong and should held responsible for his unintentional yichen's brother push and yichen's mother death. Then yichen should also get questioned for his cowardness impact. He never tried to even explain his mother and talk to his mother that he still is in love with lufeng and wanted to keep his relationship hidden with his mother. During confrontation lufeng was no where wrong to take his stand. Both never knew yichen mother health condition. Yichen himself didn't knew. He never told or tried to correct his mother that he can't get marry to someone as he is in his mother language still abnormal. He never decline Zhou lan that he already has someone whom he likes. Never said in college reunion that lufeng is his other half. And not friend. Was it easy for lufeng? No. He also lived in the same era. And he also lived in homophobic society and parents. If yichen had parents love, lufeng has his sister and his father's inheritance. He was born rich and he valued money. If yichen had it hard then lufeng also. So blaming only lufeng and not yichen when both made wrong decisions. If Lufeng's house capture was intentional then yichen wasn't a kid. His method of using marriage to escape was also intentional and it hurted lufeng directly. Blaming one only for their decision I don't understand when both are at fault. And my frustration just rise here because this whole comment section is filled with that plus reviews. It just idk make me feel..........

Idk everytime I just see someone saying victim- perpetrator only and that happy ending part. I dont know how to feel. Am I over analysing it? Because in drama i genuinely never felt a happy ending? And in novel also?

My problem is that I felt just too much for this drama. Either positively or negatively idk.

Fact- this is long like short story. So read accordingly.

Let's discuss in points.

1. About yichen not showing consistency in his familial devotion:- when lufeng and yichen were in love in school days he genuinely thought if he explain this to his family they will understand it as he is their son. They will prioritise his happiness so he fought hard trying to explain that how he is normal and their love is also love. What he didn't expected that his parents will be homophobic to the core and prioritise the societal set standards of relationship. So after first separation he gave in. For in Asia, it is said one is a good child if that child is obedient and follow their parents and keep them happy ( not to add the source material i e. Novel was written in early 2000s ig where this concept was more firm) so what yichen did? He closed off himself. He sacrificed his own individuality and sex orientation and fighting spirit to please his family. Because when he did that he can keep others happy and remember lufeng was not there. He was all alone to face the society and the aftermath of expose of their relationship in his college. While lufeng was in US so he didn't even had to face any of these and yichen's emotional partner was not there so for whom he should have fought? Then when he gets into relationship with lufeng after lufeng coming back from US. I was screaming like hell on screen to yichen that this person don't and can't take stand. Why can't he slowly try to explain his stance of love and how he is also normal to his mother slowly by giving hints. But i don't blame him. I also understand him and his position. He understood that whenever his fighting will never change the core beliefs of his mother so he never addressed it. ( I hate here yichen the most atleast try) But u see his mother was constantly saying how he is back to normal and he can now marry a girl and have a child. Did someone asked yichen how he felt? Familial devotion has to be felt from both sides. Which was lacking from his mother side. Also from whole confrontation of lufeng and yichen's mother it was clear to me that yichen is never going to fight for his relationship and just give in to his mother's expectations without any words. Because typical asian parents and society thought "obey parents" , " respect parents", " can't go against them or disagree with them" for which u are supposed to clear the investments parents made in order to raise u. Make sacrifices for them. So it was clear how devoted son he was and lufeng was no where in his priority list even later than qin lang. But he was hurting soo bad i am telling u. He was imagining lufeng in his wedding that how happy he would be if he married him and he actually cut off contact with lufeng because he hurted his brother. No brother will ever want his own little brother to get hurt intentionally or unintentionally by his own bf adding to the fact that confrontation with his mother landed her to hospital ( indirectly not completely lufeng fault, she was already sick to begin with the Convo just triggered it)

Whereas u don't find this inconsistency and dilemma in RL because WSW mother was sweet, she already acknowledged chi cheng as her son- in-law or WSW's other half and she prioritised his son's happiness so his familial duties were never in ques.

2. About "To my shore" the fact is that Fan xiao was a traumatised person. He has dealt with trauma that shaped him and his values and how he sees world. Now, why these were discussed in detail in TMS because fan xiao and you shulang relationship was built on that foundation. Fan xiao was approaching you shulang just to prove that how he sees the world is true and testing you shulang about his views about the same situation and that exactly is why Fan xiao started loving you shulang in between. Eg- the scene where both were seeing sea by sitting in beach. Fan xiao told his you shulang his trauma because he wanted to gain his sympathy so that he can be close to him. And to comfort him you shulang said he also experienced something similar and how he reacted. Fan xiao started believing he is truly a good person. Those discussion was the entire thing because of which their romance developed. Both fan xiao and you shulang were in multiple relationships before so they were aware of relationship values and how it works.

In DH, both yichen and lufeng was experiencing first love. Puppy love. They were teenagers where they were in pure fierce and ready to give each other everything mode. Afterall first love. Now addressing your point here. Yichen was actually grown up in good and loving family later he experienced homophobia but before that everything was good. Lufeng was experiencing his abusive father. But did that changed lufeng? To the point of trauma? No. That's why I just love lufeng. The school lufeng. Because he had every reason to be a bad and traumatic person. He was rich, powerful but experiencing abusive parents and his sister's love language was to show care by facts and logic. He never knew how love can be beautiful, warm and caring before yichen. I was in love with lufeng here that despite these he was able to smile, capable of love, approach yichen with love and care and childish behaviour of teasing him just to get attention of his xiao chen. Pure naive person behaviour. Those moments were superficial but powerful to them. It was surely not enough to connect with audience. As nothing grand was happening there because there was nothing traumatic, mature there. Also one thing if u remember, yichen was constantly thinking of lufeng roller skating moments with him, how he approach him with care, piggyback and feeding him food during his injury. Those moments mattered to yichen. Also i remember in later episode yichen also remembered how lufeng was protecting him by submerging him in his chest while everyone in school was piting them on their abnormal love. Lufeng was protecting him. Also, one time after school someone tried to assualt yichen and lufeng just kinda murdered him. He was protecting him from world. Saying " i love u and whoever is there to oppose us i will fight with them and protect u". For a teenager if someone give me that 1percent of protector energy I will loose my heart. Because tbh it's rare for someone to fight for u. It's subjective whether u were able to connect with their love or not but I was able to. Ur connection with their story is ur feelings i respect that. I am just saying what I feel. If u understand my pov that's ok. Also understanding each other pov doesn't mean to agree. So here no issue if u can't feel connection.

3. True. But I will make a point here u are comparing TMS where the scene u are talking about is the whole point of fan xiao obsession to destroy you shulang. It did show you shulang as an individual. But it also contributed to the fan xiao romance with him. Here, in DH as I said for lufeng it was just love at first sight. And for yichen his care and quality time and protector energy. Now, lufeng personality did shined just in romantic way. Because lufeng's whole life is based on yichen as his one and only emotional and life anchor. As for him he truly didn't had anything emotional to hold on in his life before yichen. He was just rich and powerful and values money. Which was shown in drama when he can't take no ( rich people can't take) and when he has to give his inheritance( he automatically started working more to raise his empire of own during yichen's togetherness and separation) and when he met yichen after marriage he asked yichen " why did u not talked to me? If my giving up inheritance bothered u" " tbh I would have also felt like u because i literally had nothing" those were his exact words that said how much he valued money and inheritance but he gave up everything for yichen. From yichen's side his nerdy nature was there and shown. Nothing much from yichen's side as an individual because he was from well loved family and healed person. He can openly accept love and give love during his teenage school days. Lufeng had something to put forward in this aspect( his trauma and how it affected him) but the very fact that even after these he was able to give his sunshine energy, understand and love and hold on to his love soo hard that later it became like a python around ur neck. But to be able to love without any boundaries was his personality.

I hope i am clear that these are my pov and u are not bound to accept or agree that. I just shared what i felt and explained my stance to ur point.