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About DH, what u said is exactly correct. But still I prefer drama version. For me, this whole logic of appealing made drama more toxic and unbearable. They showed lufeng very loving in ep1-2. They showed lufeng snf and yichen loyal always and no children part. No sending video to their son and getting intimate in front of son. Trust me I would have gone crazy if they showed lufeng like this and still give us happy ending. I would have straight up treated lufeng as criminal with no empathy. But drama changes made me feel sympathise about his sufferings and in black flag era the toning helped me a lot to forgive him ( except rape). Then by showing and trying to make attempt in showing that hey!! He is sick and we don't romanticise this. They added extra layer of emotional torture. How can u not feel bad about bipolar disorder and not want a person dealing with it to have happy ending( not cancelling but understanding actions). This is exactly why I felt more toxicity here. As an audience I genuinely felt more trapped here. I felt intensity of toxicity because of emotional attachment and love here more than in novel. Because novel lufeng was easy to hate. So when yichen chose lufeng it's his choice. But in drama it's diff. Hurt was there, love was also there. They didn't adapted lot of black flag era actions from novel which made me think "two broken person in love who now one of them has turned into a monster".

Sometimes when u try to appeal masses u make story more toxic not in the way of toxicity as actions. But toxicity in sense of feeling trapped between emotions. Between love and hurt. Between not able to let go because of love but have to let go because of hurt. Having feelings but not able to be together. But staying is also a lot of work. Soo emotional toxicity is here more. That's why for me toning down didn't made intensity less but more here.

Thanks for clarification. See this is why sometimes I love MDL. Diff pov.

Now to ur comment. RL author toned down ok. But u can't deny the fact that RL did showed partner sharing Convo in comic sense and they actually never addressed it. It's not about toning down. More about filtration of pointing out the audience "are we promoting/ romanticising partner sharing?". Because if u see DH comments it's filled with people who loved it= romanticisation of rape. Plus RL was supposed to be toxic which its not all credit goes to u for clarification why? ( I genuinely didn't knew this) But fandom treat RL as rom com u throw partner sharing topic and not deal with it is more concerning. But i get it counterattack was written long back and even changing that would have impacted the story to the point that it would be completely different from source material.
Also, I want to say i am not comparing RL and DH. I was taking RL as example and pointing out the filtration of issues in one but not in another.

Hmm. That's actually understandable. Tbh i totally get ur point. With soo many dramas airing right now with most of them dealing with dark and serious themes. This one is not heavy lifting. Just watch like a comfort place to breathe. But overall this drama is nothing new.

Agreed. Even i thought this. Even ABO desire was set up in diff world. When u set a diff world u need to tell audience what is real ,diff and what is normal. World building basically. But point here is not realism. I am expecting a good plot. A good acting here. I don't want to reduce it to fan service. Because honestly synopsis looks good. It has to be a very conflicted story. It should portray the characters feelings well. The dilemma and how the gaps between their real life and reel life blurs. I admit i have watched only ep1 so i am still too early to comment on actor's capability but other aspects of drama clearly is not helping me here. The direction and storytelling looks on light hearted level kind of unserious. Which again I don't have a problem just deal with characters dilemma part well.
And I agree the problem here is me. Maybe i am not in the zone or mindset to recieve the drama openly with how it is as it is.

I thought fanfiction coming from china should be of high quality. There are lot of examples. I don't mind lack of good plot. But if the only thing this drama is going to give me is fan service then no. I need a plot. Even if it's cringe I need it. That's why I will wait till ep 3-4.

Don't start with this drama please for CBl To my shore is a masterpiece. This drama can never even come close to To my Shore in any aspect.

Ep 1, Once upon a time in magic City a boy who never did any acting roles in any drama( not even playing dead) he get to the audition( where I can only see him and no one else but lot of people came for audition as per him) and he got selected. Based on what??? (Kiss scene because who cares about whether a person with no prior acting experience can actually act or deal with emotional scenes or tension? Because the only thing that matters is their chemistry and their tension with motion). Mind u no workshops, no time to connect straight intimate scenes in 10 min prep and that too our ML never let zhang zhun prepare. Because who cares? Logic? What's that? Who cares about whether an actor can potray his emotions just put 10 layers of makeup and take the shots closely so that people will be like " oh wow sooo handsome". This drama speaks nothing but strong fan service. Ep 1 was a strong disappointment. Will give chance till ep3 if they show no character or emotional depth then sorry this drama is not my cup of tea. Rant over.

That explains. But as long as I enjoy toxic dramas but I don't understand why these dramas almost never cover the harm they did to other people? Why it's always when they see their loved one being broken only then they realise and then happy ending. Why no drama ever covers the redemption arc of all the people they have hurted before their love? The girl must have some kind of deal with him but she dies. Can someone's life has no value even when they made deal? I hope they cover how their actions and stupid deals have impacted the person and the people close to them.

I kinda smelled it. But black flag? That I didn't knew. One thing confuse me why big jane want to trap little jane? He never asked or offender big jane.

The whole point is that actors already gave hint in the first ep. While little Jane was having his first puppy love. Big jane's all act of service and his smile looks like a trap so that little jane fall head over heels for him. His smile doesn't speak love or crush to me. More like a predator. Like a pitcher plant.

But u know what he does seem to be the person who will cage little jane after he make him fall in his trap. He is going to be very very very big red flag. I can sense it.

But will he be like Lufeng? Or worst than him? Because i am still healing from lufeng. Need to know what i am commiting myself to so that I can book therapy in advance.

1st ep was sooo good. Their chemistry didn't disappoint me. This is the first time I am so well aware of the characters stand wrt each other and saw in their relationship as well.

The way little jane was shown always prioritising others happiness. He seems so pure of heart. He just got attached, attracted towards big jane in no time when he made little efforts to please him. Just showing smile and be there and noticing his small actions was enough for him. The way he felt special and valuable was so just pure from little Jane side.

Big jane. He is the main person here. He is the complex and red flag. He is hard to read but easy to read also. I just don't understand what major happened for him to decide to make little jane as his prey? He is clearly attracted towards him. He thinks little jane is unique and just soo good from heart. His special means he is diff from his other prey. His smile looks just a smile without any warmth. Like he is trying to set traps for Jane to fall for him and make him the most trusted person so that he can ask something from big jane and big jane being red flag can trap him using this..big jane is going to be the most obsessive person I can foresee that. This kind of person make people fall for him by using their vulnerabilities (when in reality they are also falling for them) just to cage them. His behaviour kinda reminds me of the ML from dark romance( straight cdrama where he was PUA).

But the ost is bang on. They poured everything correct in this drama. Just hoping everything goes smoothly till the end. The wait was worth it.

Not watching didn't helped me much.

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Talk about problems. I didn't watched and reward was "exam didnt launched" due to technical issues. Now need to give explanations to my leadership. What a life!!! Lol

In dilemma should I start today or tomorrow. I want to watch today. But I have exams tomorrow 🥲

I started rewatching trying to give this drama another chance after seeing multiple anniversary post. What i feel from ur comment is that you haven't read novel. That's ok. Now let's talk about ur comment on drama.

Wu so wei is toxic? Yes. When he tried to seduce chi cheng the objective was clear that he thinks that yue yue left him because of chi cheng and chi cheng is deliberately rage baiting him. Also, he did had some male ego. Why i should pursue him? I will set traps and let him pursue me and it will look like he is pursuing me on his own. I just never understood one point . Did chi cheng knew that wu so wei is actually trying to get close to him intentionally. Because it looks like he is. Afterall i think both knew that they are playing mind games with each other. But still they never said anything instead they fell in love. After discovering truth I guess he didn't disclosed this because he was already in love with chi cheng just didn't realised it. Also he didn't wanted to see him with yue yue because according to him she didn't deserve him. The fact remains same till the end just with small change. Earlier both yue yue and chi cheng was wrong now only yue yue was wrong.

He took advantage of chi cheng for his business. Yes. Earlier when he thought that chi cheng was concious of what he is doing. He didn't bothered about integrity. Later in art installation company he was not taking advantage. He genuinely considered chi cheng as his partner. But considering his stingy nature and the constant desperation to be big( because of people looking down on him) it's understandable why u felt that way.

Actually him lying and playing innocent card is 50:50 true. He did lied. Instead of confronting. Because he thought if chi cheng is wrong then his wrong deeds will be forgiven. Kinda i did u wrong and u did me wrong. We are equal now. So let's forget and forgive and be together. But sometimes he was actually innocent. His emotions was genuine.

Not sure which assumption part u are referring here in context of chi cheng. So no comments.

Wu so wei has to be annoying and toxic. Because emotional manipulation and mind games comes under toxicity only. He is not dumb. But he is enough smart to know how to set traps.

It's ok to feel that way about a character. Because at one point when this show was airing I gave up because of the same exact reason. I was truly not able to understand when and how these characters fell in love. The intensity of their love. And when did the actual genuine feelings started developing in the process of revenge and what all actions are truly genuine. What story shows u is the revenge arc which again is covered by playfulness with little bit of their character and emotional stand with each other. That's why it becomes hard to understand the character and their position.

I would say if u love rom com then only u can watch this otherwise u can't expect deep emotional bond with the characters and story here. It's a light hearted drama rather than emotional heavy drama.

That's what. I don't like to compare series much unless it's complete necessary. But u see I have a habit of reading novel after drama starts airing. When i read RL i was like wait RL is so toxic but why can't I feel it in series. Later i understood because they have made toxic themes as comic scenes. That's why I was not able to connect with the characters of RL. Plus acting of Tian and Ziyu is not good for me( imo, my pov). Some series like to cover toxic themes with comedy. But that also has to be done properly. Last i see this well handled script in movie "Maa Behen".

I actually understand that Double Helix is not well written. Plus series actually never showed how obsessed yichen also was with lufeng. Sensitive topics actually should come with redemption arc. But i can feel toxicity, feel good acting from Ayden's side, good chemistry, good music , cinematography. Double Helix explores nothing new that u have not seen in other toxic Bl. But the level of comments i am seeing regarding that they haven't expected this much toxicity and all. I was like seriously??? U can be taken aback by the level of toxicity and the way things are handled. There is nothing new in people going back to the person who hurted him. ( Eg- kinnporche, To my shore, my stand in, meet you at the blossom) And these are recently made dramas. But can u blame a toxic bl to be toxic? I don't get the logic behind this.

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Let it be. I am too old to take part in these discussions. I mean I only question the morality if the show romanticise it. Or no one literally no one pointed it out that it's wrong. Like in case of RL setting comic bg in serious themes and not addressing it.

I can rant about this whole day. But I have better things to do in my life than getting myself into fan wars. I am still here because i am not over this drama and I am still trying to say goodbye.

Fr. I am seeing this everywhere " he is psycho", " he is toxic" ofcourse he is. This is toxic bl marketed as one. Ml is marketed as toxic. None of his actions was ever romanticised in the show.

The only thing I can agree on is yichen going back to lufeng without any strong redemption arc or jail time before happy ending. That part should have been handled properly. But atleast show did showed that lufeng is sick and needs therapy before happy ending is the attempt on that. Considering its divert from novel which is good. Also bipolar disorder is manageable not curable with treatment but drama shows otherwise. But show did tried to attempt to address that just little bit poorly.

My genuine doubt comes from the fact that why nobody in RL said this that ok chi cheng literally throwed his ex partners for gang raped once someone betray him, showing multiple Convo around chi cheng and his friends sharing partners once they are bored, saying "spoils of war" and giving a human for that before even asking that person, emotional manipulation, mind games of Chi cheng and wu so wei, wang shuo violent relationship with chi cheng. None of these were ever addressed in RL and if not addressed always made it sound comic whenever there is reference to sharing partners. Like it's nothing. Just because chi cheng relationship was not that toxic towards wu so wei. It was ok for chi cheng to force other people for rape/ sex and never do character development on that part. It shows me hypocrisy.

Again again not defending or cancelling out lufeng's actions with mental sickness. Just pointing it out filtration of these issues in one drama but not in another.

Also one thing to be noted. None of the characters here are green flag. If lufeng is toxic then yichen is also. Forgetting that and reducing yichen to just victim is one side of the story.

Same here