Kate

What I wrote about the ending to a friend:

"For me the idea that Dong Baek was the only one to wake up and remember everything was actually a way to for the first time give him freedom of choice. In all the past lives he was controlled by fate and pursued by Yu Dam who knew everything. While this time he has the freedom of choice - if he wants to try and get close to Yu Dam or live his live without him etc. If they get together it's because he wanted it.

For me him asking Yu Dam if he wants to eat the dinner with him was a perfect closing line, because it was the first time he took his life in his hands and for the first time it was truly his own decision.

The pacing and storytelling were really off. It's not exactly the type of story that can be told well in around 115 minutes 😅

Well, yeah. I had less issues with Milk not because he was a cat, but because he was more human and mature. It's a bit like he turn into a human after dying and going to afterlife, and got more accustomed to human life/form/emotions/thinking etc., while Choco was still a dog in "heavens" and turn human only when they went down to visit ML.

Seeing these side by side made it even more clear that the romance between Choco and his owner was disturbing. < I mean... I cannot argue with that 😅

Yeah but he was giving "mixed signals" because that's how the truly felt, not because he wanted to play with her heart or something. I feel like people are making him into the biggest playboy just because he was not completely dedicated to her, but it makes sense... they were there for a few days only. Both times he want to Inferno not with her, it was not his choice and could not say no (Min Su stuff). And when he came back she was showing how close she is with Jongwoo. For him, this would also be a mixed signal.

They both made each other unsure of their feelings. It was not just Jinyoung.

I knew she will pick Jung Woo when they showed her face after Jinyoung started to walk towards her after standing a little bit with Nadine. She was not happy, she looked worried and anxious. Since it would be easier to pick Jungwoo over Dongwoo, while Jinyoung was gone with Nadine.

I'm just disappointed he was not there from the start. He was literally the best guy, the funniest and the most mature with best approach to the show.

I find it fascinating how apparently being honest makes you dishonest. Best example: when Seulgi asked Jinyeong if he made a choice who to take to the paradise for the last time and how did he pick them. And he honestly answered he will pick someone he is curious about. I feel like many people see it as a push and pull mind game he is playing... when dude literally honestly answered a question he was asked. It makes perfect sense he would be curious about more than one person when they spent so little time in the island. Not like they've been there for month and he had close connection to any contestants. Both him and Seulgi were curious/interested in 2 people. It's not like Seulgi was dedicated to him only and rejected everyone else 😂

The two of them were literally in the same situation. Had 3 people interested in them. Clearly, many times rejected 1 person. Were the most interested in each other, but also curious and spending time with their 2nd pick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

well everything about 2nd half was worse than 1st half, so not surprised his character was not developed 😅

Did he develop them in prison? < I think that's the case. I think it's after his hand got fucked up. That would be the most logical way.

that said, I for sure would rather have him as a normal villain that wants to take the revenge on CF lol

Being a late joiner makes her feel like an outsider and one who offers nothing, not even a spark. < her not having any personality did not help lol

Because they showed Gu Nam on a pretty psychotic scale, I was more of "he lost it completely and should be locked in a hospital" and less "He is evil to the core". Like, dude talked to the imaginary version of himself 🙃

Episode 7 was for sure my favorite this season. I wish they would focus more on the village, the crime investigation just not as interesting for me...

"well, she didn't want to be that badass assassin anymore," is such a weird statement for me. Do people assume she can be badass and good at fighting if she is an assassin? As if all the male characters did not use their strength and skills for good? I don't know if it's a wild idea to people, but she can be a good fighter again without turning into assassin 😂

When I say she is egocentric I do not mean she thinks she is the most important and disregard everyone consciously. I mean it in a way of her in many cases struggling to understand other people and instinctively seeing everything from her own perspective. And while that part is natural for everyone, others are aware of the fact someone else can see things differently and have a different approach She views everything from her own perspective and up till now it was "excused" and not that obvious because it was written in a way that she usually was also right. Up till they dropped the bomb about the testing friends for years.

Her fear of losing Ji Gu is the sign of codependency issues, her actions show the egocentrism in her behavior. there are other ways to try to keep someone by your side that do not require "testing" their other friends behind their backs with no explanation. She assumed it's not something than would hurt Ji Gu, and her intentions were good in her perception - that the egocentric aspect of it.

If she took the dress without asking I would be so annoyed, because taking shit without permission is also something I hate, because it is also an egocentric behavior and has nothing to do with pride, but good manners 😂 For me ji Gu asking if she can borrow a dress that was NOT her and waiting for a reply is the most normal and logical thing lol

You add more meaning to my words than necessary. It's not just my past negative experience. Even before it I disliked highly egocentric people. It's just my preference. My negative experience has more to do with me understanding Ji Gu side, than my dislike for Ji Yeon.

The friends befriending Ji Gu for Ji Yeon is from Ji Yeon's perspective. Something she assumed, but we cannot be sure it's true, as she is not a reliable narrator. and EVEN IF it was 100% and NONE of her male friends gave a fuck about Ji Gu, it is not an excuse for what Ji Yeon did ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In situation like that you TELL your friends about your suspicions and worries. She should have talked to Ji Gu and NOT patronize her and check out her friends without giving Ji Gu any context of why she is even doing it.

I never said Ji Gu said Ji Yeon stole her crushes. Taking away someone's friends might be worse than taking away their boyfriends. Since the boyfriend can be "excused" by physical attraction - she is prettier than me. It's just a small aspect of who a person is. While is your friend drops you for someone else, it might give you the impression you as a whole, as a person are not good enough.

When my sister went on a romantic walk with the guy I liked, I was annoyed, that's it. when one day MY friends came to my house and told me to my face they are here to visit my sister - that hurt.

Ji Gu felt inferior to Ji Yeon about her femininity, not that she changed because of that. I worded it wrong and messed up there, my bad. This also shows the complete lack of communication between them as friends tho. Coz from what they showed Ji Yeon was not really aware of the inferiority Ji Gu felt. This whole scene showed how flawed and not stable their friendship is. As if they never ever talked about the issues they have with each other. Which I find ridiculous.

My issue was how egocentric and patronizing Ji Yeon was. She thought she knew what is best for Ji Gu. She did not give her a chance to learn her own lessons. She did not talk to her about her worries but instead acted the way she found fitted without thinning about the consequences her actions might have.

Honestly, my biggest issue with everything that happened in episode 10 is how for me the friendship between the 3 of them starts to make little to no sense for me, because it seems like there was complete lack of any proper honest talks and communications for 10+ years and they just swept everything under the rug and hoped for the best. And I don't think the writer can fix it in 2 episodes. So for me episode 10 not only ruined Ji Yeon's character (personally, she is the type of an egocentric person I cannot stand), but also ruined the friendship the girls had.

For me ignorance about the effects of your actions just show how egocentric Ji Yeon is. And for me this is a friendship dealbreaker. If someone is this unaware how toxic their behavior is. I simply could not be friends with someone like that. I can't talk for anyone else, but for me what they showed about Ji Yeon in episode 10 makes her the type of person I would avoid like a fire.

Everyone flaws are different, but they are not equally bad - said different consequences matter. For example someone getting extremely shy in new places and someone showing aggressive behavior when frustrated - they are not on the same level. If your flaws limit you, it's your choice to either work on them or not. If your flaws hurt others, it should be your responsibility to work on then. This is how I see it. Of course the girls never addressing Ji Yeon's actions in the past is for me ridiculous and I'm curious what would happened if Ji Gu confronted Ji Yeon in the university times. But I also feel like they would simply stop being friends at that point. Their bond was not as strong as it is now, so the friendship would simply fall apart.

I overall do not understand THIS LEVEL of lack of communication in their friendship. On all sides.

As for Ji Gu's mom - no redemption for her either. Both the mom and Ji Yeon and Ji Gu's past story told me one thing - the writer complete fails in showing growth in the character their wrote. The mom still acts like salty teenager in front of Ji Gu while missing her. Now we know Ji Yeon p[resented painfully toxic behavior for years and nothing was done about it and they never even talked about it.

IF Ji Yeon gets a proper psychological help in the show, I will be able to move on from the years of fuck up. If they try to fix it with one "honest conversation" I will lower my final rating for season 2, coz that's a level of ridiculousness I cannot take. Dropping such a massive bomb and character flaw 2 episodes before the show ends is just ridiculous coz you barely have time to give it a proper closure.

The thing is, the initial part I was replying to was not whenever Ji Yeon can be redeemed but this: "Thank you!! I totally agree, all three girls have major flaws and emotional issues and trauma, so why is it only Jiyeon getting the hate?"

why is she the only one getting hate? Because only her way of coping with her trauma and behavior had this level of negative impact on the other girls and the friendship. And it's not just the viewers who think that, the characters also think that. So Hee said that this time Ji Yeon was the one that did something wrong and she cannot stand on her side. So if the best friend of 10+ years sees Ji Yeon as the one to blame for the situation, how can the viewers not. The characters themselves told us that this is different than anything that happened to them ever and not just a flaw on the level that everyone has.

First - why did you assume I was angry? I don't tend to get that emotional about fictional stories. That use of caps in the last comment was not suppose to show my angry, but just emphasize a fact on the matter.

As for the drama.

Ruining someone's friendship by dating all of their friends also ruins their confidence. It does not only apply to romantic interests.

Her mom died far past the time the attachment forms between kids and their parents so the idea she was not able to develop secure attachment style is false.

Quoting good things one person did to excuse being toxic for years is not a way to go. This is going to be extremely exaggerated comparison, but it fits on a smaller scale for this situation: abusive husbands also are often good EXCEPT for that one thing they do negatively aka abuse their partners. It all comes down to what can you put up with. For me what Ji Yeon did would be a deal breaker no matter how amazing and perfect of a person she might have been. For me it's not measuring if on average a person is a good friend. There are behaviors I cannot look past.

You keep focusing on this one situation that happened in episode 10, but for me the bigger issues is all the past situations. The idea that since they knew each other, Ji Yeon ruined every friendship with a guy Ji Gu had. The fact she made it impossible for Ji Gu to learn her lessons and her patronizing view on how she was trying to help her. Someone in comment below also pointed it out: if this Mr. Nice Paper situation was the first time something like that happened, if it was Ji Yeon's reaction to the fear of losing Ji Gu - I could look past that. I would understand it and see how her reaction, while completely out if line, would be reasonable from her perspective. But this is not just one time event. It's years of the same behavior.

Unless in the last episodes writer will send her ass to therapy, I will not see her as redeemable. If they will try to "fix" it with one honest talk and crying in each other arms and talking about how much they love each other and they are basically like a family. I was able to ignore the "staying in the woods as an after cancer treatment" stuff, but 2 bullshit resolution to serious issues in one show would be too much. The writer made it too much of a problem for a quick fix.

That said, whatever the characters will do - good for them. Does not mean I, as I viewer need to sympathize or understand and forgive Ji Yeon. You were in her shoes, I was in similar to Ji Gu. Tho I was younger (early to mid teens) - my sister flirted and dated most of my male friends and I know what this can do to someone, and I did not even have any underlying confidence issues like Ji Gu did. The idea that you as yourself are never enough and your friend (in my case my sister) can and most likely will take away anyone from your life. I mean, even So Hee said she at some pointed stopped introducing her boyfriends to Ji Yeon.

The big issue is not that one Mr. Nice Paper situation, but years of the same bullshit.