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It could make sense in so many way, just because you would never do that and you can't imagine someone else doing it, does not mean it's unrealistic. People do a lot of unimaginably bad things when they are desperate. For example when you feel wronged to the point of killing yourself but at the same time you want to bring down people who wronged you, because you know just killing yourself will mean nothing to them you may end up for example as a suicide pilot. Good people do bad things. That's the life. We all like to think we would never hurt or kill anyone, no matter the circumstances, but it;s not true. vast majority of people on the plant is capable of killing others, even innocent ones if the situation forces them. That's why I liked the idea of his brother being involved. That would be so much more captivating and could push forward the dynamics between Min Joo and Kang Woo, how would they deal with that, would MJ even be able to deal with it. And now it's just another generic revenge story, black and white. We know who is good we know who is bad. They could have created an amazing device to make the story fresh and more emotionally captivating...
And still even from the strictly directory way, this fake 'memory' was such a lazy way of confusing viewers especially since there are even currently airing dramas that are doing it right (While You were sleeping and Witch Court) when they CLEARLY show who's memories are whos and then slowly reveal the full story. In Mad Dog they just showed to contradicting stories without explain were the 1st one even come from. They could have just make the cockpit scene from ep 2 shorter but true the the actual events. OR from the start show the copilot as the one telling the story. The way they dealt with it was just bad planning on their part.
I am reaaaaalllyyy passionate about what I don;t and do like about this drama coz I had some high expectations but... it just does not work...

The drama is good and I truly appreciate the fact they (even tho it was in a funny way) talked about how weird it is for the main leads to try to hook up with 20 years olds when they are around 40 themselves. Coz that bothered me a bit tbh.

those 2 last eps.... were just... bad... did they really have to go that way? was it really necessary?

I hate where they are going with this drama, I think the production is just meh, they should have think of a clever and fresh way of hiding some information from viewers but instead decided to just show 2 totally different scenes of what happened without ANY explanation why they were different (coz no, they did not even hint the plane crash in ep2 might have been just what MJ though might have happened, or even what the public thought happened, coz we have clearly shown the TRUE events from Kang Woo's life, so it would be ridiculous to think half of the scenes are just normal flashback, and half are just imagination of 'whoever') . For real... the directing of this drama is just lazy. With what they showed in ep 7, we need to ignore whole 2nd ep or accept the fact they messed up with the story telling. It amazes me how much they are fucking up when they have all the BEST ingredients to make it work. The cast is spot on, the plot IF executed the right way could be interesting and fresh, the ost is AMAZING, the scenography is good, both director and writer have at least one good drama that they took part in producing so w know they can do some good shit.
Why is this one not working? why? I also don't like how we know so little about other members of Mad Dog. the lack of communication between Min Joon and Kang Woo at this point is just laughable. How they hinted that Hari might have some feelings for Kang Woo but it was never addressed and Min Joon is obviously the end game for her. I feel like there is just way too many things going on at the same time and not in a good intriguing way, more like 'they are dropping shit, half of it will be never addressed nor explained later on'. What's more: the lack of attention to details is horrendous. I can turn a blind eye on few small missteps coz they happen is every drama, but in this one... some of the missteps ain't even small.
I will watch this drama till the end, I will be annoyed while watching every new ep for sure. I truly adore this cast and I kind of love all the characters presented, they are all interesting. Separate elements of the drama are good, they just mostly don't work together?
I REALLY wanted to love this drama, but I just get more and more annoyed with every new ep and I am so conflicted with what to do next.

I get where they are going with the plot, what I am saying they are doing bad job presenting it. As I said: if what happened in cockpit was just what MJ imagined, then they should have made clear distinction between that and Kang Woo's memories, and not just mix it together -> that's not clever way of keeping viewers interested in plot, it's just lazy production .
IF what happened in cockpit in ep 2 is true, then his brother did 1st tired to crash the plane, and then (maybe) at the last moment tried to pull it up again. but he was still the one responsible for the crash
I much rather think his brother was somehow related to the plane crash and the insurance company is now using the other pilot to get MJ to stop investigation. For them if they prove now that it was not MJ's brother fault he will get more money and he will stop the whole 'finding the truth' plan, since they think all he wants is more money from them. They are trying to make this whole case to go away.
I really like this drama (mostly for the characters and cast) but the production value is kind of meh. Many things don't make sense. Like how was MJ's brother literally crisped and the other pilot was 'fine' when they sat right next to each together during plane crash? There are many small things like that that bug me.

yeah but those must be flashback coz we also see scenes between Kang Woo and his family that we know really happen, so they could not be MJ imagining them. even if they make everything that happened on the plane in ep 2 just what MJ imagined must have happened, and not the real past, my point still stands: the writers fucked up with the story telling. Either they messed up the plot with what they showed in ep 2, and it was too late to fixed it so they will give some bullshit explanation later on, or they messed up the way they wanted to present the plot while mixing everyone pov in ep 2 without clear distinction between what really is the past that Kang Woo is remembering and what was just MJ imagination. IF you show up the past you need a clear point of view OR if you want to show how different people saw/imagined it you need clear distinction between those. Otherwise the plot just gets messy.

The problem I have with it being just a memory is that It wouldbnot fit with other flashbacks from 2nd ep, which were not just someone's memories. They did not frame it as someone's memories that's why I don't think it was one. I rather believe MJ brother was htbeone who crashed the plane (tho It was not a suicide) and they are framing the co-pilot to get MJ out of the case since they think he just wants more money....

I am so pissed with 6th ep and how they went with MJ's brother not being the culprit, coz it made the production of a drama such a shit with just that last scene. IF they wanted to make him a victim from the beginning they shouldn't have shown us the past and what happened on the plane to later on just say 'nah, it didn't REALLY happen, it was all a lie'. I mean they literally showed us HE DID lower the plane, and now they are trying to say he did not. That's just bad planning of a drama. I honestly though this drama was getting better with every ep, but what they did in the last ep is just SO frustrating for a viewer.
I'll keep watching it for Do Hwan and Hwa Young, but I have to say... if they won't fixed the mess they created and just leave that plot point as it is right now... I will flip some tables lol

There is a difference between drama having elements of comedy and melo well balanced and fitting in overall tone of a drama, and drama having both but not fitting well with each other at all. The comedy is over the top in this one and the melo is too dramatic, the HUGE contrast between those styles just makes this drama look less consistent. Style of comedy they picked make me care less about the drama since I just can;t take anything seriously in the plot, and the melo kills the comedy coz you ain;t gonna laugh right after someone got beaten up with a golf club or other stuff.
You can have both comedy and melo in drama, but you need to think really hard on how to make it work. I feel like the writers did not do that in RL

are there worse? yes. Is this bad tho? yes. I don't think people are overacting. I feel like the writers and producers have no idea where to go with the plot. The funny scenes are forced and over the top, then the sad scenes are overdramatic. If they wen't either full comedy or full makjang it would be better.

he is doing good job, Shi won and his acting is not the problem. Script and how his character is written is.

I saw dimple and I died.

I don't give a crap about Byun Hyuk and for me they could somehow write him off and focus on Baek Jun and Je Hoon. Make it more realistic and less over the top. For real tho there is nothing likable about Byun Hyuk

I was not talking about the plot (since the plot isn't even what majority of people complain about), but the overall style of filming and humor shown. There are no such things as original dramas in terms of just the plot, you have the same elements used over and over again, but how you use them is important.
If you read the comments below one of the most common things people complain about is the dark humor in 2nd ep. Truth is: this drama is less sugar coated than other dramas (which is something OCN does well), so even if the plot is going to that territory we all know well with the romance, it's shown in pretty fresh light.

I get why so many people may not like this drama, since it does not have this mainstream vibe a lot of people like dramas for, but still... the uniqueness of it is what I like hahaha

They focused way too much on romance and not the separate lives of main couple, so now when they got together and majority of people don't care that much about their 'job drama' (aka whenever she will or will not produce the drama she writes and if his restaurant will success) I have no idea what will they do for the next 20+ eps. The love triangle does NOT exist since Hyun Soo does not see Jung Woo as a potential love interest and she is already in a relationship so I hope they will not drag that too long, his mother likes her I guess so nothing going on here, Hong Ah just doing her own shit trying to feel better about herself... like there is literally nothing in the plot right now that could be the main story-line for 2nd half of the drama

'The magnifying glass was the one thing we couldn't think off' COZ YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS LOL There was this literally one second scene when they showed strong sun reflection from that silver thingy on the building and from that moment is was SO obvious what happened. Also what surprised me is: no one asked the wife if the dude even smoke. Coz if he didn't, then why the fuck would be have lighter in his car? That should be the 1st thing they thought about. I wouldn't mind they not figuring it out earlier if the writers didn't make it seem like at last some of them are REALLY smart.
I myself honestly thought it was an accident, not a suicide but the writers went even further and made it a murder. Cool shit, but it makes Mad Dog look like noobies and not as smart of the team after all.

I think it will be similar to 38 Task Force in terms of romance, there will be some, hints here and there, but nothing major or significant to the overall plot.

The Heirs is the truest one ever. This is not a bad description at all lol

@wavy3 :I would not care for MJ's motives at all if I was KW. He didn't just show up and explain shit. He is manipulating them emotionally to do 'his' job saying they are basically his dogs and if they won't do what he ask he won;t only expose them but also endanger people close to them (the nurse, police detective) even tho they are not involve in whatever is happening between KW and MJ. Is reason does not excuse his behavior, I'm sorry but I am not buying it. As for the plane crush we know for a fact his bother was the only piloting, how attacked the other pilot and before the flight took drugs. Whenever he acted alone or not does not matter, he was the one who physically make it happen as it was shown in ep 2. W saw what happened on the plane, I truly don;t care wat was the brothers true reason for killing all those people with himself. People are dead.
The innocent people I referred to are all the people ot involved directly in all the 'whatever it suppose to be' plan of MJ. He knew threatening just members of Mad Dog would not do the trick so he is willing to drag other people close to them into this mess.
You never sympathize with people who act on their emotions first, I never sympathize with manipulative people . This is just personal thing, what you thing is worse behavior than the other. Non of us is wrong here. But while acting with your emotions first is usually unconscious, and extremely hard to control, making a manipulative plan like that is a 100% conscious decision. And since I do not live by the 'for the greater good' rule, however good end results MJ is trying to achieve this is not right way.

@Queen: And MJ said he will destroy their lives and lives of people close to them if they won;t act as his dogs in whatever plan he has that he is NOT WILLING to explain, and even gets angry when KW is trying to figure it out. KW knew from the beginning about the insurance since they talked about it in media, how the crush was suppose to be suicide insurance scam. Everyone knew it. Projecting your anger onto other people is obviously not right way, but it's one of the most basic coping mechanisms humans use. We all do it, just not to that extend because the majority of us were never in such a dramatic situation. They are both wrong in their actions, but while KW's reaction shows how human and raw he is in what he does, MJ is shown is extremely negative light as a manipulative and extremely calculative person, willing to do anything to achieve his goal.
KW said: 'breath and do nothing in your life, just breath... etc' which is EXTREMELY over the top and dramatic way of saying 'fuck off, don;t show up in front of me ever again and don't try to use me, i don't want to be involve' which is FAIR shit to say in this situation.
You all act like they met by an accident on the street and KW just attacked him, but that's not what the situation they are in. It doesn't matter if MJ was or was not involve in the plan crush, he is still a reminder to KW of all the things he lost. Him not wanting to see his face ever again is understandable. 'When I see you I see your brother and I remember my wife and my child and all the years we lost'... that's human, that's not something you can rationalize. You guys need to remember that not on is AS rational as you want them to be. We can sit here and think for days about what ifs and all the 'whys', the characters don't, they react immediately without having the luxury of thinking things through ad not involving their feelings.
THAT SAID I love Kim Min Joon character even tho I want to punch him in the face, kick him in the nuts and slap him back into reality.