I couldn't qualify the vibe between Ye Na and Yu Jeong. It is clear that Ye Na has a big crush on Hae Seong. But after today, I saw so much GL vibe going on. My theory is that Yu Jeong has an unrequited love for Ye Na. Because her behaviour looks like this to me. Or Else why is she crying???
Screenwriter has only written for two other dramas before this? wow im surprised, the balancing of genres feels…
I like that as well. It was about time Su A learns the truth. The girl is history teacher. She has her part to play in this mystery. I am happy she gets into the real thing now.
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately, thatâs not the only thing Keifer has done.From the very beginning,…
Well maybe. That would be a pity I would like her to find happiness. I also don't understand what is the secret between Jay-Jay's mum and Aries. Aies is more and more fishy. In fact the boyszin this series have serious flaws. And there is the blue eyes guy who will come later. He is very mysterious.
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately, thatâs not the only thing Keifer has done.From the very beginning,…
None of them is worthy of Jay-Jay. The only one who potencially always been good to her is either David Or Ci-N. But they are friend-zoned. So we have to wait for Kiefer to akwoledge his feelings. Kiko seems to like violence and he is in section A. So. no.
An average to bad micro drama. I don't know why We Mo Yan go entangled with this but her acting is great. ML too. But the plot is bad. A pity. I watched it only for her. Some micro dramas are very good though.
Mao saved Ando when they were young and Ando's been hopeless for her since then đ€
I watched ep 9. e problems are huge for Mao and I wonder who is the mastermind behind this. This is too much of a coincidence : as Andoo flies to canada Mao gets those kind of problems. I don't want to think it is the father behind all this.
I would also like Azuma to be only arrogant but her : I deserve a top class husband ... Right? Feels a little mean to me.
Mao saved Ando when they were young and Ando's been hopeless for her since then đ€
Thank you I will watch it . I checked a few hours ago but ot wasn't uploaded yet. I'll give you my feedback once I watch it. Happy you confirmed that Ando is honeytrap proof LOLOL
I have a lifetime restraining order against my ex, and am still in hiding to this day because of his abuse. I…
First of all like I stated : "I don't minimize your experience but this is mine and the example I brought to you are state ressources and testimonies that are trust worthy. "
So, in no way as you said : "It's not easy to have someone roll up on you and invalidate your personal experiences, unsolicited."
When I see that I have the impression you want to put words in my mouth as if I am someone who disregard peoples experience when it is the contrary. I am sorry if the sentence was harsh but it is because I was shocked.
" What worked for your mother, never worked for me" I understand that completely. It is never the victim's fault. My mother told me that agressors test the potential victim before unleashing there warth. And sometimes it is in the forme of bickering. So this is why, from a very young age, she advised me to never bicker with small hittings with any man, because those little games could be the testing phase for some potential abusers. So of course every one is different and every story is different. But I am carrying the legacy of my mother and to date, thanks God, I did not face those kind of people. Maybe because I could detect the bad guys from afar. I don't know.
You said : " But I am doing my best to be kind and respectful of you while also explaining where I'm coming from " I do that too. I would have not have taken my time to reply such long messages and back them with states studies and testimonies If it was not for me to explain my point the best I can.
You said : " you're ready to say something so caustic ". Again sorry I was shocked and the expression was the reflexion of that.
You said : " Sometimes showing no fear will get you hurt worse. And I know that firsthand. If you have another opinion on it, I'm not trying to change that or challenge that. All I'm doing, is showing that my POV is valid. " Again, As I stated : "I don't minimize your experience but this is mine and the example I brought to you are state ressources and testimonies that are trust worthy. " Different people different experiences.
I think we are agreeing but the debate is so lively that, we don't understand each other completely. This is totally normal because this experience was shoking in your adult life and in my childhood.
You said : " The idea that abusers are afraid of public opinion and the law so the main protection is to not be alone, only works if you're not alone. Which is the reason why they do everything they can to make sure you're as isolated and discredited as possible. It's good advice to not be alone, but it's often just not very feasible. "
This is a word of wisdom because : the first thing an abuser will do is try to isolate the victim. So that she has no one to help her escape his grasp. Public opinion is really the ultimate leverage in this kind of problem. The public eye can really stop abuse and I experimented that at work with an abusive colleague lately. Who tried to harass me at work and ended up resigning because she exposed her bad behaviour before the firm when she tried to trick me and I made that backfire on her (by doing nothing. In fact she fell for the trap she previously set for me). At the end, she couldn't stand the other co-workers glares. I take that example, even if it is not intimate partner violence. Because it is still violence and it is something I delt with recently.
I have a lifetime restraining order against my ex, and am still in hiding to this day because of his abuse. I…
First of all I am sorry for what you experienced and I am glad you survived.
"You are wrong. Do you know who ends up dead or disabled? Women who stay. Period. "
I have never said that women should stay. I said showing fear flatter the agressor's ego. I even compared him to a threatening dog. What do people do when dogs are threatening then ? Do they stay or slowly leave to avoid the dog to bite them. Because they know that runing on the spot would make the dog chase after them.
I know domestic violence first end too. My father threw a punch at my mother once, but when she did received it, she immediately jumped on his face like a cat and scratched his face with her nails. He had my mothers hand on his face for weeks. When he got back to work he was so ashamed because everybody asked him what happened to him. His colleague were mocking him. This was so hard to deal that he never tried anything like that ever again. Then slowly she left him.
So as someone who knows intimate partner violence. I know that playing the fear card doesn't work. I also noticed from my experience that what stopped my father was the lack of secrecy. My mother not only scrached his face but she also publicized his behaviour for everyone to see it afterward. So he was even more ashamed.
I don't minimize your experience but this is mine and the example I brought to you are state ressources and testimonies that are trust worthy.
Those who beat are afraid of public opinion and the law. So the main protection during the time of rumble is to not be alone.
I don't compare the tropey FLs to real life woman. FLs show fear in drama sto keep the story going until the ending. Don't put your words in my mouth. A FL like my mother, I never saw that in any dramas and this is a real life story.
Mao saved Ando when they were young and Ando's been hopeless for her since then đ€
Yes totally ridiculous. Some people don't think that much about the plot to understand that this is a trick of the writer. Just let them be. It is better to have a friendly comment section than a lot of drama haters.
Yes and kota's retribution gonna be UGLY, I can feel it.
I honestly don't know. She cannot try to manipulate Ando. He is honey trap proof. She already manipulated her family and Ando's. Now what. Because the guy is already married. Her only play is to leverage Mao's insecurities and cast difference status to try to make her ask for a divorce. But I am sure Ando will stop that. Because I am afraid Mao will fall for that first hand.
You wrote : "The FL is shown as defiant and unafraid in the face of her abuser's beatings. This is just unrealistic. In situations with abusers like this, if you don't act afraid, you are potentially putting your life in danger. "
In what world if you want to stop violence, you have to act afraid ? Even threatening dogs jump at you or run after you if they see that you are afraid of them.
You wrote : "I have seen several dramas that center around an abused woman finding love again with another man, and most of those shows treat the topic with sensitivity and at least *some* realism, but not this one. There is so little emotion surrounding the abuse and the new romance that it feels like it was written by someone with antisocial personality disorder "
I disagree. This is not because majority of tropey dramas display FL who are weak and dumb female leads and who fall victim of abusers behave displaying fear in the face of aggresion; that it is the solution for a human being to stay, and take the beating flattering the agressor's ego by showing fear is the best idea.
I cannot let you state something like that. Victims who flatter abuser's ego like that are sure to end up either dead or disabled.
The solution will always be to fight. If not with physical strenght, it will be with mental strengh like FL is doing it in this drama.
https://womensaid.scot/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EverydayTerrorismReport.pdf : " Meghan: He had his hands round my neck there and he just basically he was punching me about, and then he sort of got up off of me, and he was like âare you afraid?â and I was like I thought âwhat the hell do I say?â...but I mean I was, I just was physically shaking because you just dinnae ken whatâs going to happen next.
Candy: I would actually physically start shaking or stutter because I was trying to say something to himâŠand he would laugh about that, he would be like you know âwhat are you shaking at?â and then just start laughing, and then because he saw that side he knew that anything he did would just frighten me.
....
As Candyâs description (above) illustrates, although abusers may appear to be out of control, and they may explain abuse in this way afterwards, they are often able to draw back if someone else is present (though they rarely do this if it is only children who are present â Section 3) or to taunt the person they are abusing. IN THIS WAY, FEAR IS NOT AN UNINTENTIONAL EFFECT OF ABUSE. BUT SOMETHING THAT ABUSERS PLAY ON AND USE :
Kim: When I was defending myself heâll come to me and hug me... I didnât understand at that time because then he will fight and then he will come to calm me down and hug me...I was just so confused.
Rachel: So did he calm down at the moment when you defended yourself?
Kim: Yes, yes...like he was having this smile...because he was winning.
People who are being abused often feel great humiliation at the powerlessness of their position, and this is the case whether the abuse is physical, sexual, psychological, emotional or a combination."
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It is clear that Ye Na has a big crush on Hae Seong.
But after today, I saw so much GL vibe going on.
My theory is that Yu Jeong has an unrequited love for Ye Na.
Because her behaviour looks like this to me. Or Else why is she crying???
It was about time Su A learns the truth. The girl is history teacher. She has her part to play in this mystery. I am happy she gets into the real thing now.
I hope he makes it to runner up at least.
I also don't understand what is the secret between Jay-Jay's mum and Aries. Aies is more and more fishy. In fact the boyszin this series have serious flaws.
And there is the blue eyes guy who will come later. He is very mysterious.
Kiko seems to like violence and he is in section A. So. no.
Some micro dramas are very good though.
e problems are huge for Mao and I wonder who is the mastermind behind this. This is too much of a coincidence : as Andoo flies to canada Mao gets those kind of problems. I don't want to think it is the father behind all this.
I would also like Azuma to be only arrogant but her : I deserve a top class husband ... Right? Feels a little mean to me.
Yes let's hope Ando's grand mother can save them.
I'll give you my feedback once I watch it.
Happy you confirmed that Ando is honeytrap proof LOLOL
So, in no way as you said : "It's not easy to have someone roll up on you and invalidate your personal experiences, unsolicited."
When I see that I have the impression you want to put words in my mouth as if I am someone who disregard peoples experience when it is the contrary. I am sorry if the sentence was harsh but it is because I was shocked.
" What worked for your mother, never worked for me"
I understand that completely. It is never the victim's fault. My mother told me that agressors test the potential victim before unleashing there warth. And sometimes it is in the forme of bickering. So this is why, from a very young age, she advised me to never bicker with small hittings with any man, because those little games could be the testing phase for some potential abusers.
So of course every one is different and every story is different. But I am carrying the legacy of my mother and to date, thanks God, I did not face those kind of people. Maybe because I could detect the bad guys from afar. I don't know.
You said : " But I am doing my best to be kind and respectful of you while also explaining where I'm coming from "
I do that too. I would have not have taken my time to reply such long messages and back them with states studies and testimonies If it was not for me to explain my point the best I can.
You said : " you're ready to say something so caustic ". Again sorry I was shocked and the expression was the reflexion of that.
You said : " Sometimes showing no fear will get you hurt worse. And I know that firsthand. If you have another opinion on it, I'm not trying to change that or challenge that. All I'm doing, is showing that my POV is valid. " Again, As I stated : "I don't minimize your experience but this is mine and the example I brought to you are state ressources and testimonies that are trust worthy. " Different people different experiences.
I think we are agreeing but the debate is so lively that, we don't understand each other completely. This is totally normal because this experience was shoking in your adult life and in my childhood.
You said : " The idea that abusers are afraid of public opinion and the law so the main protection is to not be alone, only works if you're not alone. Which is the reason why they do everything they can to make sure you're as isolated and discredited as possible. It's good advice to not be alone, but it's often just not very feasible. "
This is a word of wisdom because : the first thing an abuser will do is try to isolate the victim. So that she has no one to help her escape his grasp.
Public opinion is really the ultimate leverage in this kind of problem. The public eye can really stop abuse and I experimented that at work with an abusive colleague lately. Who tried to harass me at work and ended up resigning because she exposed her bad behaviour before the firm when she tried to trick me and I made that backfire on her (by doing nothing. In fact she fell for the trap she previously set for me). At the end, she couldn't stand the other co-workers glares.
I take that example, even if it is not intimate partner violence. Because it is still violence and it is something I delt with recently.
"You are wrong. Do you know who ends up dead or disabled? Women who stay. Period. "
I have never said that women should stay. I said showing fear flatter the agressor's ego. I even compared him to a threatening dog.
What do people do when dogs are threatening then ? Do they stay or slowly leave to avoid the dog to bite them. Because they know that runing on the spot would make the dog chase after them.
I know domestic violence first end too. My father threw a punch at my mother once, but when she did received it, she immediately jumped on his face like a cat and scratched his face with her nails. He had my mothers hand on his face for weeks.
When he got back to work he was so ashamed because everybody asked him what happened to him. His colleague were mocking him. This was so hard to deal that he never tried anything like that ever again.
Then slowly she left him.
So as someone who knows intimate partner violence.
I know that playing the fear card doesn't work. I also noticed from my experience that what stopped my father was the lack of secrecy.
My mother not only scrached his face but she also publicized his behaviour for everyone to see it afterward. So he was even more ashamed.
I don't minimize your experience but this is mine and the example I brought to you are state ressources and testimonies that are trust worthy.
Those who beat are afraid of public opinion and the law. So the main protection during the time of rumble is to not be alone.
I don't compare the tropey FLs to real life woman. FLs show fear in drama sto keep the story going until the ending. Don't put your words in my mouth.
A FL like my mother, I never saw that in any dramas and this is a real life story.
Yes and kota's retribution gonna be UGLY, I can feel it.
I honestly don't know. She cannot try to manipulate Ando. He is honey trap proof.
She already manipulated her family and Ando's. Now what. Because the guy is already married.
Her only play is to leverage Mao's insecurities and cast difference status to try to make her ask for a divorce. But I am sure Ando will stop that. Because I am afraid Mao will fall for that first hand.
No. I don't think he knows about that fiancé situation. I mean, he would have said something if He knew. Especially because they confessed to each other and cleared the misunderstandings. It would be the perfect moment for him to speak about the subject.
In what world if you want to stop violence, you have to act afraid ?
Even threatening dogs jump at you or run after you if they see that you are afraid of them.
You wrote : "I have seen several dramas that center around an abused woman finding love again with another man, and most of those shows treat the topic with sensitivity and at least *some* realism, but not this one. There is so little emotion surrounding the abuse and the new romance that it feels like it was written by someone with antisocial personality disorder "
I disagree. This is not because majority of tropey dramas display FL who are weak and dumb female leads and who fall victim of abusers behave displaying fear in the face of aggresion; that it is the solution for a human being to stay, and take the beating flattering the agressor's ego by showing fear is the best idea.
I cannot let you state something like that. Victims who flatter abuser's ego like that are sure to end up either dead or disabled.
The solution will always be to fight. If not with physical strenght, it will be with mental strengh like FL is doing it in this drama.
https://womensaid.scot/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EverydayTerrorismReport.pdf :
"
Meghan: He had his hands round my neck there and he just basically he was punching me about, and then he sort of got up off of me, and he was like âare you afraid?â and I was like I thought âwhat the hell do I say?â...but I mean I was, I just was physically shaking because you just dinnae ken whatâs going to happen next.
Candy: I would actually physically start shaking or stutter because I was trying to say something to himâŠand he would laugh about that, he would be like you know âwhat are you shaking at?â and then just start laughing, and then because he saw that side he knew that anything he did would just frighten me.
....
As Candyâs description (above) illustrates, although abusers may appear
to be out of control, and they may explain abuse in this way afterwards, they are often able to draw
back if someone else is present (though they rarely do this if it is only children who are present â
Section 3) or to taunt the person they are abusing. IN THIS WAY, FEAR IS NOT AN UNINTENTIONAL EFFECT OF ABUSE. BUT SOMETHING THAT ABUSERS PLAY ON AND USE :
Kim: When I was defending myself heâll come to me and hug me... I didnât understand at that time
because then he will fight and then he will come to calm me down and hug me...I was just so confused.
Rachel: So did he calm down at the moment when you defended yourself?
Kim: Yes, yes...like he was having this smile...because he was winning.
People who are being abused often feel great humiliation at the powerlessness of their position, and this is the case whether the abuse is physical, sexual, psychological, emotional or a combination."
Yes, I hope too. Kota is totally delusional and self-centered. I am sure he will face retribution. To be honest I was waiting for the show to give us a formar lover for Ando too. We have Azuma as his fiancé ( I suppose ), this is great that Mao doesn't have to deal with another woman's fantaisy.
In the comment section starting to drop the drama because Ando has a fiancée. I expressed my objection.
https://kisskh.at/781934-ikinari-kon#comment-21019558
I don't think a marriage can be broken.
Yes I hope Ando's family helps him to find a solution to this situation.