When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
I feel you; it would have been heartless to do it to anybody, but she did it to her own biological daughter. Not to mention the blatant favouritism to the stepdaughter, while FL was being tagged left and right.
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
I want someone to set fire to her aunt house and I don't think mother is going to be punished, director is the type of person who will give her redemption arc last minute and she may end up saving FL from her uncle side last assault !
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
I haven't watched ep 27 yet but from What I have heard so far, there wasn't any proper apology, and ML didn't hold her accountable for her actions. What really pisses me off is, after 4 months of drama slump, I found something good to watch and was thoroughly enjoying it but unfortunately, they ruined it for me !
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
"when a partner truly understands their significant other, especially one whoโs dealing with deep trauma, it's not about being weak it's about being supportive. This is what makes Sang Yan such a strong and emotionally intelligent character" I agree with it BUTTT there is LIMIT to everything, and Love can be overdrawn. FL got away with everything she has done in the name of love and loving someone doesn't mean you have to put up with their every bad habit and mistake, it doesn't mean you are their perpetual slave and have no right to stand up for yourself. Relationships are all about holding each other accountable for mistakes, growing together as person and human beings. Your entire argument can be summarized into three words "Trauma-loveee-immunity", just cuz humanity was not kind to her and male happens to love her... it gives her RIGHT to commit horrendous crimes and IMMUNITY from their CONSEQUENCES. Let's assume SHE cheats in next episode (which she won't), so tell me what ML is supposed to do about it !
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
Now we are covering ground cuz you are one of the few people here, who is willing to accept she was wrong, and her trauma can't be used to justify everything. The point I would like to raise is, we are all adults here and know relationships are about "Give and take", and only balanced relationship survive the test of time. From the day one their relationship is very unbalanced; ML is putting in all the effort/work, forgave her mistake and her response is like mehhh "Whatever". This will not bow well for their relationship and eventually ML will suffer from burn out in the future and considering FL current behaviour it would be over. This is what I was trying to say in my earlier comment, I don't see FL actively trying, wating and planning to be with ML and save this relationship. ML is the only one trying to salvage the situation and let's be real here, everything has a limit and if she doesn't improve her behaviour its over.
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
See I have been defending for the last ep 24 and she has valid reasoning for her behaviour but this time she went overboard with her behaviour. Directors ruined the whole immersion by making the ML doormat at crucial point of the story. That's how I believe this arc should have gone down, FL decided to leave ML again cuz her trauma got stimulated again by the appearance of devil spawn, then some infighting about whether to tell ML or not (this should be conveyed by emotions during packing with visible pain on FL face), she leaves but continuously remembers ML and her life again and again, ML dealing with pain on his side and tries to find her, FL struggles to life without ML, after one month she reaches out and tries to explain and reveals her location, they meet and she tells him her story, they visit places from her and she tells him about her abuser uncle (this would have made for far more powerful scene as compared to current shit), ML consoles her and tells her about her support base in forum of best friend qiao and her family, other friends and him.
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
What point have you raised? Just like I said above you are "Deflecting blame", loving woman unconditionally doesn't make anybody a SIMP its known as basic human decency but grovelling over a person, who has completely disregarded your feeling multiple times with bias reasoning and hurt is what makes a person SIMP! Again like I have mentioned above, if she wasn't ready for the relationship why did she give hope to ML and was in one to begin with, so in your point of view just cuz it's her healing journey, she can treat another living person like a complete crap and give him emotional trauma/PTSD and trust issues..... in order for her to heal, ML should be sacrificed and vice-versa. World doesn't work like this and there is one thing I don't understand, why are you guys' hell bent on whitewashing her mistakes, there is nothing wrong with owning up one's mistake. For example, if somebody runs someone over accidently cuz he was distracted by his kid crying in the backseat. Does it mean her crime of breaking the law by not paying attention to the road and landing someone is hospital is VOID? Just cuz her kid was crying, the pain of poor victim with broken ribs doesn't matter anymore cuz SHE has valid justification for her looking ack? The long story short is, stop downplaying ML pain and suffering and give justification for her mistakes. There were 100 ways to go about it by telling ML about her plans of leaving but she choose the most painful one. What's wrong is wrong !
I see what you mean about the novelโs arc feeling superior in that sense, but I think the adaptation works in…
Loving woman unconditionally doesn't make anyone a SIMP, its known as basic human decency but LOVING a person, who has completely disregarded your feeling multiple times with bias reasoning and hurt is what makes a person SIMP ! ML wasn't SIMP in this one for first 23 episodes, FL self-sacrificing antics and director agenda forced him to be one !
When you watch ep 27, I think you might change your mind. I read this part of the book and it is fine. The 6 month…
The problem with this troupe is the lack of accountability on FL end and complete massacre of ML character. They have turned his character into a doormat SIMP, like the sole reason for his existence is to suffer at the hands of FL and even after all that she won't be that sorry about it. I was thoroughly enjoying this drama up to ep 23 (paused it here) but then I sensed, director is going to do something stupid and unfortunately, I was right. Although I fully support FL in her healing journey, but "Trauma" reasoning can't be used everywhere to whitewash her mistakes/bad decision, and just cuz world was unkind to her it doesn't her RIGHT to emotionally scar the only person who was good to her. The novel plotline would have made a lot of sense and even if director was going to change the plotline, he should have atleast kept FL feeling immense remorse for her actions, contacting the ML first and taking active role in healing their relationship. This whole "Whatever" attitude and general lack of strong emotions of remorse doesn't make any sense, even if she was feeling anything in ep 27, that miniscule amount doesn't equate to severity of her actions. People are coming up with every sort of justification in comment section to whitewash her behavior, deflect blame and make themselves feel good about defending stupidity but, There is no justification for her behaviour, and She was WRONG PERIOD! Now she should apologize to ML, play active role in repairing their relationship by pursuing him and WALK the TALK !
Sang Yan embodies Charles Dickensโ words to the fullest: โHave a heart that never hardens, a temper that never…
So, Charles Dickens was also a SIMP ! Quick google search told me, He and his wife, Catherine Dickens, separated in 1858, but he did not pursue a divorce, and she had no custody rights to their children under English law.... she didn't divorce him cuz woman didn't had the right to divorce in that time. The funny thing is, even in the time period when all the laws and societal norms were stacked in his favour, dude managed to CUCK himself ๐๐๐๐๐๐..... Absolute legend!
Sorry, but I kinda disagree. Before WYF, even her mother and SZ said he is kinda beyond saving, he donโt even…
Lol, take your advice and leave poor woman alone and there are something's in world, which are absolute and there is no room for discussion. Like "Sun is Sun" you can argue all day long, no its a dog but it's not going to change a fact ! In the same way, ML is a SIMP, and it was wrong of the FL to run away... now lets just wait and see how she is going to compensate ML in the future but we can't lie about facts here !
The living thing, who obeys every command of another person, always waits there for you, forgives all your mistakes without much resistance, doesn't know anything other than "Love" and always come back to you is "known as DOG" and some people call also like to call them SIMP or doormat!
Funny, i never like those two drama but love TFF. I love how not getting love back is not having any self respect…
Ahhh I really wanted to ignore this but here we are, "Just cuz someone has wronged you in the past, it doesn't give you an excuse to go around and treat the only person that treated you with respect as absolute trash" So, FL condition albeit regrettable has absolutely nothing to do with ML or in simple words its not his fault and he doesn't deserve to be punished for crimes of other people or if I am being "Blunt". FL can't use her mental trauma as an excuse to SCAR other people and traumatize ML. She was/is wrong and was/is being forgiven with zero consequences for her action and quiet frankly doesn't even look that sorry for her stupidity. Now the living thing, who obeys every command of another person, always waits there for you, forgives all your mistakes and doesn't know anything other than "Love" and comes back to you every time is "Known as DOGGG" ! The major difference between modern humans (Homo Sapiens) and dog is humans' ability to think and make decision for themselves due to their higher "Cranial capacity" and bigger brain size. ML behaviour is prime example of SIMP behaviour and no matter how much you try to say otherwise, there is absolutely no justification for it. That is coming from someone who was the staunch defender of FL behaviour.
Sorry, but I kinda disagree. Before WYF, even her mother and SZ said he is kinda beyond saving, he donโt even…
Guys learn to take in "constructive criticism" and she is spitting facts here, HL never tried to portray itself as "realistic drama" and director intent to tell "sweet romantic story" was clear from the get-go. First frost on the other hand tried to incorporate real world problems and portrayal was very realistic for first 20 episodes..... FL was given immunity from all criticism regarding her bad behaviour cuz of her mental trauma. But when it comes to ML people forget everything about realism and want a complete doormat character, whose sole reason for existence is FL..... no matter what FL does he will always stand there like a SIMP and forgive her !
i dont think it was that huge to be called overrated, but if you read the novel you will understand why it is…
Firstly, the three emojis were supposed to deliver the intent "sadist remark" was a joke but you didn't get the memo. I will admit my mistake regarding the Zhao lusi comment, the celebrity in your profile pic looks like Zhao lusi, and that's why I made the Lusi comment. Secondly, in what world cringe worthy Itawoen class, Go Go squid, Dr John and Love designer are considered 10 in somebody definition but they have problems with this one. Furthermore you have generally scored Korean dramas (give a lot of 10 scores to K-dramas) a lot higher than C-dramas, so don't come here and tell me you are not biased. LoL and some of the Medical dramas, you have scored 10 have glaring errors and straight up nonsense, for example you need Medical board's will never certify anybody suffering serious medical condition like in Doc John, nobody performs surgeries with out proper surgical plan, Diagnostic test like CT scan and nobody plays politics over people lives like Master Kim was doing in Doctor Romantic, ohhh surgeons sufferings from CTS, and injured hands are not allowed anyway near the OT, let alone perform dangerous surgeries. It doesn't takes a genius to figure these things out cuz Medical field is not a fish market and SOP's are everything. Thes only drama I agree with is lovely runner ! Lastly, I stand by my comment you are expecting too much from 32 episode drama.... nobody can and have covered the entire novel in the period of 32 episodes, on the contrary other adaptations like TPR have ruined the whole novel immersion by glorifying the SML's.
I agree with it BUTTT there is LIMIT to everything, and Love can be overdrawn. FL got away with everything she has done in the name of love and loving someone doesn't mean you have to put up with their every bad habit and mistake, it doesn't mean you are their perpetual slave and have no right to stand up for yourself. Relationships are all about holding each other accountable for mistakes, growing together as person and human beings.
Your entire argument can be summarized into three words "Trauma-loveee-immunity", just cuz humanity was not kind to her and male happens to love her... it gives her RIGHT to commit horrendous crimes and IMMUNITY from their CONSEQUENCES.
Let's assume SHE cheats in next episode (which she won't), so tell me what ML is supposed to do about it !
This is what I was trying to say in my earlier comment, I don't see FL actively trying, wating and planning to be with ML and save this relationship. ML is the only one trying to salvage the situation and let's be real here, everything has a limit and if she doesn't improve her behaviour its over.
That's how I believe this arc should have gone down,
FL decided to leave ML again cuz her trauma got stimulated again by the appearance of devil spawn, then some infighting about whether to tell ML or not (this should be conveyed by emotions during packing with visible pain on FL face), she leaves but continuously remembers ML and her life again and again, ML dealing with pain on his side and tries to find her, FL struggles to life without ML, after one month she reaches out and tries to explain and reveals her location, they meet and she tells him her story, they visit places from her and she tells him about her abuser uncle (this would have made for far more powerful scene as compared to current shit), ML consoles her and tells her about her support base in forum of best friend qiao and her family, other friends and him.
Just like I said above you are "Deflecting blame", loving woman unconditionally doesn't make anybody a SIMP its known as basic human decency but grovelling over a person, who has completely disregarded your feeling multiple times with bias reasoning and hurt is what makes a person SIMP!
Again like I have mentioned above, if she wasn't ready for the relationship why did she give hope to ML and was in one to begin with, so in your point of view just cuz it's her healing journey, she can treat another living person like a complete crap and give him emotional trauma/PTSD and trust issues..... in order for her to heal, ML should be sacrificed and vice-versa. World doesn't work like this and there is one thing I don't understand, why are you guys' hell bent on whitewashing her mistakes, there is nothing wrong with owning up one's mistake.
For example, if somebody runs someone over accidently cuz he was distracted by his kid crying in the backseat.
Does it mean her crime of breaking the law by not paying attention to the road and landing someone is hospital is VOID?
Just cuz her kid was crying, the pain of poor victim with broken ribs doesn't matter anymore cuz SHE has valid justification for her looking ack?
The long story short is, stop downplaying ML pain and suffering and give justification for her mistakes. There were 100 ways to go about it by telling ML about her plans of leaving but she choose the most painful one.
What's wrong is wrong !
ML wasn't SIMP in this one for first 23 episodes, FL self-sacrificing antics and director agenda forced him to be one !
This whole "Whatever" attitude and general lack of strong emotions of remorse doesn't make any sense, even if she was feeling anything in ep 27, that miniscule amount doesn't equate to severity of her actions. People are coming up with every sort of justification in comment section to whitewash her behavior, deflect blame and make themselves feel good about defending stupidity but,
There is no justification for her behaviour, and She was WRONG PERIOD!
Now she should apologize to ML, play active role in repairing their relationship by pursuing him and WALK the TALK !
Quick google search told me, He and his wife, Catherine Dickens, separated in 1858, but he did not pursue a divorce, and she had no custody rights to their children under English law.... she didn't divorce him cuz woman didn't had the right to divorce in that time. The funny thing is, even in the time period when all the laws and societal norms were stacked in his favour, dude managed to CUCK himself ๐๐๐๐๐๐..... Absolute legend!
In the same way, ML is a SIMP, and it was wrong of the FL to run away... now lets just wait and see how she is going to compensate ML in the future but we can't lie about facts here !
"Just cuz someone has wronged you in the past, it doesn't give you an excuse to go around and treat the only person that treated you with respect as absolute trash"
So, FL condition albeit regrettable has absolutely nothing to do with ML or in simple words its not his fault and he doesn't deserve to be punished for crimes of other people or if I am being "Blunt". FL can't use her mental trauma as an excuse to SCAR other people and traumatize ML. She was/is wrong and was/is being forgiven with zero consequences for her action and quiet frankly doesn't even look that sorry for her stupidity.
Now the living thing, who obeys every command of another person, always waits there for you, forgives all your mistakes and doesn't know anything other than "Love" and comes back to you every time is "Known as DOGGG" !
The major difference between modern humans (Homo Sapiens) and dog is humans' ability to think and make decision for themselves due to their higher "Cranial capacity" and bigger brain size. ML behaviour is prime example of SIMP behaviour and no matter how much you try to say otherwise, there is absolutely no justification for it. That is coming from someone who was the staunch defender of FL behaviour.
But when it comes to ML people forget everything about realism and want a complete doormat character, whose sole reason for existence is FL..... no matter what FL does he will always stand there like a SIMP and forgive her !
Secondly, in what world cringe worthy Itawoen class, Go Go squid, Dr John and Love designer are considered 10 in somebody definition but they have problems with this one. Furthermore you have generally scored Korean dramas (give a lot of 10 scores to K-dramas) a lot higher than C-dramas, so don't come here and tell me you are not biased. LoL and some of the Medical dramas, you have scored 10 have glaring errors and straight up nonsense, for example you need Medical board's will never certify anybody suffering serious medical condition like in Doc John, nobody performs surgeries with out proper surgical plan, Diagnostic test like CT scan and nobody plays politics over people lives like Master Kim was doing in Doctor Romantic, ohhh surgeons sufferings from CTS, and injured hands are not allowed anyway near the OT, let alone perform dangerous surgeries. It doesn't takes a genius to figure these things out cuz Medical field is not a fish market and SOP's are everything. Thes only drama I agree with is lovely runner !
Lastly, I stand by my comment you are expecting too much from 32 episode drama.... nobody can and have covered the entire novel in the period of 32 episodes, on the contrary other adaptations like TPR have ruined the whole novel immersion by glorifying the SML's.