Kate

briczennie on yt pointed out some editing details about the whole Kamden and Krystian situation (including the crying scene that turns out to be a mix of two completely different moments in the interview). So if anyone is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNG5Qu8qDT8
starts at: 8:03

now that the fancams of all performances dropped (which, too many I cannot watch them all lol). I have to say Park Han Bin is painfully underrated. He has some of the most stable vocals while dancing. Not a note off pitch. Not to mention solid dancing, great stage presence. Like, even when it's not his part he is giving 100%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9LDBhfmUU
the performance as a group was pain (oof some high notes 🤣), but my dude Park Han Bin did amazing. Show some love maybe pretty please? 🥲

I was not rooting for FL either hahaha Literally the only character I cared for was the dad, because he was the only one with half a brain 😅

Serial killer killing for no other reason than "I can" could work if they presented him in more narcissistic way, but they did not. It's fine to not give a serial killer a proper reason, BUT you need to give the reason on why he is killing when there is not really anything pushing him or motivating him to kill. Give the reason for the lack of reason I guess 😅

I agree with all your points, tho it never tried to present itself as a "psychological thriller" - it's neither in the genre nor the tags, so I would not put it against it for not delivering what psychological thriller should. Since it's simply not one.

I understood both brother and grandma. This was her son after all, not easy to give up on your child. Bro wanted to just get out of the shitty situation and move on (getting emotionally detached is a common thing in abusive houses). Dude was doing his best to study etc. probably with the hope of ditching it all in the future.

But Yeo Reum... in the context of her situation, her motivations, her relationship with Bom - there was no reason for her to be on grandma's side and not Bom's. that part of writing just annoyed the fuck out of me it was so illogical.

No. This is a separate series, based on the first novel of the trilogy.
Most likely there will be 2 more seasons.

The situation in the hospital was the exact moment I started to hate FL 🤣 I could understand literally everyone being on the grandma side, ignoring how traumatic it was for Bom, but when Yeo Reum screamed at Bom for being disrespectful to her grandma, coz the girl was emotional and unstable AFTER BEING STABBED BY HER FATHER and everyone not giving a fuck about her mental state and trying to emotionally blackmail her into lying to defend him... I lost it 🙃 Especially since she herself refused to help her brother with the money for the family and kept preaching how she is only going to think about her own well-being 😆

Yeah I am 100% fine with bad characters staying bad. I hate lazy character development tho - like character is a dick one episode, and out of a blue helpful the next with no real reason. Also asshole characters who the writer tries to present as not so much of an assholes 😅

I don't know... I feel like they did not know how realistic they wanted to make it, so we have some scenes that are hard to watch and really realistic, but then some dumb and exaggerated that I cannot take them seriously. The contrast just bothered me. That said, I feel like the fans ruined the show too much for me as I was watching 🤣 for a slice of life show the fandom was hella toxic.

Glad you enjoyed it, sad I cannot say the same for my experience with this show 😅

My biggest issue was how unlikable majority of the characters were. For a drama with little to no real plot (which i am 100% fine with and enjoyed many similar shows), I need to like and connect to the character to appreciate whatever is shown on screen 😅

I mean, Krystian is also not a leader material. But neither is Kamden. Him becoming a leader was a bit of a joke, and him saying he can do well as a leader was even a bigger joke.

I'd be pissed if Kamden was excluded when someone else was the leader, because then it's that leader's job to include everyone and control the members. I would be even more on the fence if Kamden became the leader out of pressure and was not sure if he can manage the position, But he literally said he knows he can do well 🤡

He was in Youth With You 3. I mean, I am going to trust what I saw of him in that show (it's freaking 22 episodes ALL over 3 hours long + side shows) because it makes no sense he was able to hide how much of a "dick" he is during whole that time, but here first opportunity he has, he acts like an asshole no care for his image given? When Jeon Somi came out with how her beef with one of the contestants was all fake and she screamed at no one, and it was all fabricated, who the fuck would trust mnet?

I'm telling you, they cannot edit out Krystian anymore since now we have team battles and they have to show all teams practice, he was relatively popular with ZERO screen time so they are trying to ruin his image so he will drop in ranking. Mnet wants to have 2 token foreign members in the team to show how "open and progressive" they are, but keep the majority of the group Korean to show how superior Korean trainees are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's literally leader's job to control the members, which he failed with Krystian. And it's not hard to control Krystian, but Kamden did not even try. Not to mention no one forced the role of being leader on him. He himself said he knows he will do well as a leader, but then he failed as one. Being a leader means knowing how to deal with issues.

i have no idea how i wrote so much without spoilers, it's a miracle. But writing this review was pain in the ass, exactly for that reason - not wanting to include spoilers 🤣

To be fair to other trainees, when they saw Krystian be more dominant and make the choices and control the situation, and how Kamden did not try to stop him, of course they will go after the one that leads, not just the one who had the "leader" position assigned to them. (Not saying Krystian would be a good leader, he does not fit for the position either lol)

It's like Kill This Love team - Hwan Hee was "the leader", but Geon Wook was leading.

I have some thoughts on Krystian and Kamden's situation.

1. Whoever says there is a limit to evil editing - no there is not 🤣 Editing can frame anything in any way the editor wants. The "well, he had to say it for them to edit it in the first place" - sure. He might have also said it in a completely different context and then mnet put it in as if he was always cutting Kamden when he spoke. There was only one full shot scene showing it happen, and that is the only one I truly believe happened exactly as it was shown ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So that's about the editing part - we have no idea what really happened, and I have ZERO trust in mnet showing the real incident.

2. Kamden should not be the leader, because he is not fit for the role. Leader's job is literally controling the members and making sure everything goes smoothly. But he did not try to control Krystian at all. Even if I assume Krystian was a massive dick, a mean asshole, it's still Kamden's job to deal with him for the sake of the team. And it is possible. I watched YWY3 good 3 times, with good leadership, Krystian is a harmless child. The first time Krystian started talking in Chinese, he should have stopped him and tell him to use English. Better yet, Krystian obviously wants to be in the spotlight - make use of that. Ask him to help with the communication between him and the Chinese members. Krystian is like the naughty kid in the classroom. You give him a "role" as the teacher's helper to make him feel important and busy, so they cannot cause any issues.

3. Conspiracy theory time coz it's always fun - Mnet intentionally wanted to make Krystian the villain, because he was never "their pick to debut", but he was popular even with ZERO screentime. I mean, dude was ranking 22 when all the episodes ever showed of him was seconds of his reactions to other performances. It was easy to edit him out in the first episodes, because they never show all performances during the first ranking. But now, with team battles, whenever they like it or not, they would have to show some of him. They don't want people to like him and vote for him, so they only option was to make him look like a dick.

4. This whole issue and how other teams picked their leader just shows how clueless these kids are 🤣 There was literally only one team that discussed who should be the leader is a way that made sense - Hot Sauce. Two people volunteer and then they talked about why they qualified for the role - being member of a student council (which means knowing how to deal with people, plan and deal with potential issues and conflicts) and being the leader/leading the team they came here for the audition (which basically means they already have experience in being the leader).

The layers of the plotting were amazing ans that's probably the only good editing and directing moment of this whole show. How they first showed the process of choosing, only then revealed how it was all Geon Wook's idea. Then picking Hwan Hee as the leader and slowly showcasing how, nah the true leader is Geon Wook hahaha

Hui for some strange reason is not confident in his voice. He thinks all he has are his extremely high notes, but it's not true. He actually has a really unique voice and he also can add this rock spin to it. He does not need to belt these high even for a female key notes, he is good enough without them.

I loved Geon Wook for that move. He did the best in the bad situation he was in. Took the risk, and even tho they did not win against G group, they still managed to get a lot of positive attention and look good in the eyes of the audience.

some random thought as I watched episode 3.
I guess I have a "controversial" opinion about Kamden-Krystian situation 🤡

My boi Park Han Bin slayed the theme song i love this child so much!

I will say it every fucking week - Keita needs to debut and be the leader. Each episode he just proves he was born to take the role. The way he takes care of the trainee, how he took the guys and started practice Korean with them 👍🏻

Kill This Love K group was so scripted I cannot stop laughing. From Geon Wook not being picked for so long, to Min Hyun asking if maybe they want to stop picking right now 🤣🤣🤣 Like damn, they did not even try to make it look more low key and less scripted 😅

Damn... it kind of was scripted, just not by ment, but by Geon Wook 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Matthew is such a talented kid, but he has so little confidence is sad 😭

Geon Wook, who was NOT suppose to be the one picking team members: When I picked the team members I had a clear picture of what I wanted...
I love this child 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Also, picking Hwan Hee as the leader was dumb ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It was all Geon Wook plan and vision and he made it happen, so logically speaking he should be the leader. "Rather than two suns, Hwan Hee is more like a moon" EXACTLY, even trainees saw it. He just did what Geon Wook said and planned.. *A few minutes later* Hwan Hee: I'm just Geon Wook's puppet.
Well as long as they know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ouju ma dude, it's hardly a "dance together" part. You take 4 steps together and move to the side. HOW IS THIS DANCING TOGETHER and worth fighting for during the discussion of the parts? 😅 This picking roles just shows how much of a kids they all are and how immature their decisions are too.

Why am I not surprised Crayon is the leader of the Danger team? 🤣 From YWY3 we could easily see he does well in the role.

Danger is honestly not a hard song, It has literally one high note and all the rest are fine. I'm surprised it was not picked fast. Also just the name BTS gives you advantage in views and popularity... Also Crayon said they mostly have rappers so it's an issue - it's liberally not for this song. It was early BTS days, Kookie was a rapper back then 🤣 The whole song is rapper focused so having more good rappers is a good thing,

For the Kamden team... Picking him as a leader was just a huge mistake. What Krystian did initially was a dick move, but not even that out of line, and Kamden did NOTHING to correct it, which clearly shows he was not fit to be leader. Krystian is a bit self-centered, everyone who saw YWY3 knows that, but with good leadership it can be controlled and can become an asset to the group. The reason I did not feel bad about Kamden - he willingly took the leader position and then did not behave like a leader at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Honestly, if I was Kamden I would just look Krystian straight in the eyes and as: Do you want to be the leader?

Assuming the worst of Krystian (which goes against everything I saw about him in YWY3, which was not known for evil editing like mnet), Kamden did nothing to try to tame him. So why volunteer to be the leader? 😅 With all the comments saying how awful Krystian behaved I was expecting far more than 3 comments we actually saw... People focused on how bad Krystian was, when for me the bigger issue was failed leadership. First - control they guy that seems to step out of line, be firm.

G Very Nice - About Cong vocals... he is not that good tbh. He is just lucky to be in higher range, hence it was easier for him to do good with theme song and now Very Nice. But the control ain't here. He seems loud and high and that's all. Ma Jing Xiang did great. His rap for the 2nd verse was the highlight for me.
Overall, vocals were unstable for the whole team...

K Very Nice - again... same issue with G group - unstable vocals. Main did amazing job, but that's the only one who truly did well 😅

Overall, I would give it to G team, but honestly none did amazing...

G Kill This Love - a solid and really stable performance. I wish there was an "it" moment that made me go 🤯", but even without it, it was still real good.

K Kill This Love - first of all Geon Wook's outfit is 🔥🔥 I get Hwan Hee wanted to add the high note for the team and for the impact... but it was painful to hear. In his condition it was obvious he struggled a lot to hit it... it's not pleasant for the audience 😅

G team did better, but were not that amazing. I don't know. For both Vert Nice and Kill This Love... these were just standard performance I will forget about tomorrow. Partially I blame the editing and camera work coz holy fuck it was awful 🤡

Love Me Right K team in vocal practice was such a mess omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣 G team literally ate the song.
I love Hui, but Jay did objectively better with the high note. It has more impact - sounds both more relax and open. It's just nicer to listen to.

G Love Me Right was the best performance this episode. That said, Anthony's vocals made me nervous, as if I was waiting for him to go off pitch... 😬

Why can’t he move on? < could you move on when the other person broke up with you while you still have feelings for them, you still live together and even share bed? I think both him and Wen messed up here. Now, is the place Alan's? Coz if it is, Wen messed up more. Coz he should move out asap after break up. Moving out should be his priority in a situation like that.