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They Were Broken, But Their Love Wasn't
A drama that doesn't have one red flag, but two. Despite this, I love their deep love. The last time I felt such chemistry was watching ,,The Forbidden Flower''. For me, this is a good series because:- I didn't fast-forward while watching
- Beautiful intimate scenes, not too much, not too little (I wouldn't be offended if there were more – I'll go back to the deleted scenes)
- Smooth script
- Great actors
- Wonderful music
What would I improve:
- I got lost in time – there could have been more references; I kept wondering how many years they'd been together at any given time
- I would have give more episodes to the time when Flora left, so I could have watched the longing Luke longer
- Sun's depression was underdeveloped
- The last two episodes were very rushed – I need longer conversations, to talk through all their problems
Ultimately, I'm happy with how their story turned out. Flora had to leave to mature, and Luka had to break down the wall his father built within himself. Finally, I want to point out that the friendships shown were beautiful. The moment Sun Yu realized that Sun loved Flora and didn't make an issue of it showed how important Flora was to her. On the other hand, Luka's friends were there for him and helped him understand that he had to fight for love. Friendship is a wonderful element of this series, yet so underappreciated and overlooked.
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Bromance x Piano
The cast of "Four Hands, Two Sonatas" is nothing short of exemplary, bringing a captivating energy to each performance. The chemistry between the characters is palpable, drawing you deep into their world and engaging you with their personal stories. The way the master of ceremonies (MC) guides the narrative is particularly impressive; they manage to weave the musical elements into the storyline seamlessly, keeping the audience invested and eager for the next episode.Even though I must admit that I don’t have a trained ear for music, which means some of the technical discussions may float over my head, I still find myself completely absorbed by the overall vibe. The emotions conveyed through the performances resonate strongly, and I appreciate how the music complements the unfolding drama.
I highly recommend this series, especially if you enjoyed Song Kang's "Navillera." The two have a similar charm and depth, and I think fans of poignant storytelling intertwined with music will find "Four Hands, Two Sonatas" equally rewarding. Each episode leaves you craving more, and I can't wait to see where the next chapter takes us.
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Absolute watch thriller
I honestly believed that I would stop watching this drama after 2-3 episodes, but the storyline had me hooked enough to watch each new episode every Tuesday patiently. I really like thriller dramas like these where real topics and themes are also highlighted and I believe personally that they did a good job on encroaching upon the fact that monsters are not born and that they are made. People usually see the world in black or white but this drama helps you see the grey too.The characters(male leads) acting was something I was looking forward too and I was not disappointed by the phenomenal acting delivered by Dew and Tee, though was hoping to see more of their bromance and I know that if the show had more episodes then we would certainly have gotten the ending we deserved and not the quick one.
The scenes were a bit gruesome but it is not half of what actually goes on the real world so it was a bit interesting to watch how each case would go and though the killer was a bit predictable the drama still kept you on tenterhooks and that was what I mainly liked about it.
I would recommend this drama 100% to anyone who asks and would certainly rewatch this again sometime
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Unique
Writing this review with not even knowing the complete drama , is a bit much.But the first episode really grabbed my attention.
Lee Jun Young. Once again proved why he is such a good actor.. i have not seen many korean actors , especially male actors who can play so many different type of characters. He hasn't dropped the ball yet . I have watched a few of his dramas and i really think he needs more hype, in fact i really hope other directors see the Gold this man has to offer..
On the opposite side I usually see Song in the same type of character vibe... i really would like to see him in something completely out of his normal characters. He plays the serious and mysterious characters so well , but just to break away from those types of roles and be a bit more eccentric.
Over all i am impressed with this kdrama , i honestly had a deep fear of it Being a BL , just because lee yun is someone you can romanticise 🤣 so thank goodness for that. But over all emotions, intensity and captivating experience all around.
The drama was well rounded and it also did well maintaining the plot. It ended very well , with most loose ends tied .
Over all it was a fine kdrama 👍
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Endless Leaps of Faith
Fresh out of university, Shang Zhi Tao steps into the cutthroat world of advertising and immediately finds herself under the watchful eye of Luan Nian, a boss whose favorite way of motivating her seems to be telling her to quit. What begins as an antagonistic workplace dynamic slowly turns into attraction, then a relationship, then a cycle of love, hurt, separation, and reconciliation. Years later, fate brings them together again, with Zhi Tao living a quieter life back home and Luan Nian still carrying the unfinished business of their past.On paper, The Early Spring has all the ingredients for an addictive romance. Two capable but emotionally complicated adults, an unequal workplace dynamic, undeniable sexual tension, old wounds, misunderstandings, and a second chance at love. In practice, however, there are plenty of layers on screen, but the story rarely takes the time to examine what is actually between them.
The attraction between Zhi Tao and Luan Nian is obvious from the beginning. In fact, perhaps too obvious. They are burning for each other, and once they cross that line, it becomes almost impossible for them to stay away from each other. The physical chemistry is probably the most convincing part of their relationship. For a Chinese drama constrained by censorship, the intimacy scenes are surprisingly effective at creating heat without actually crossing the line. Fans understandably had plenty to scream about. The problem is that the emotional chemistry never quite catches up.
Zhi Tao's attraction is easy enough to understand. She is drawn to Luan Nian's looks almost immediately, and after their first night together, it is clear that the physical attraction has a very strong hold on her. Luan Nian is more difficult to read. The drama tells us that his curiosity and interest in her gradually grow, but it does not show enough of the journey. One moment he is this rude, intimidating boss, and the next he is deliberately waiting to drive this new employee home. Later, we learn that he worried when she got lost in the mountains, was touched when she saved him, and gradually became emotionally invested in her. Those pieces are there, but the connective tissue is missing. It makes their romance feel less like falling in love and more like falling into bed, then figuring out the feelings afterward.
This is especially unfortunate because Luan Nian is potentially the more interesting character. He is arrogant, condescending, rude, capable, well connected, and seemingly experienced with women. Yet underneath that intimidating exterior is someone who apparently does not actually date around and is surprisingly inexperienced when it comes to real emotional intimacy. He can be the knight in shining armor one moment, helping with investments, finances, career problems, and all sorts of practical matters, then turn around and say something so cruel that I wanted to reach through the screen and confiscate his mouth. And yes, Jing Bo Ran is a huge part of why any of this works.
Jing Bo Ran does not simply play Luan Nian. He becomes Luan Nian. The arrogance, the condescension, the quiet jealousy, the intimidating boss energy, and especially that ridiculous amount of masculine charisma are all there. He somehow manages to make a man who says the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment look devastatingly attractive while doing it. That is a dangerous skill.
His wardrobe was another visual treat. Considering Jing Bo Ran's reputation as a fashionista, it was hardly surprising that many of Luan Nian's clothes, accessories, and shoes came from his own wardrobe. Most of the looks worked beautifully for the character, although there were a few details I would have happily edited out. His presence alone explains a significant portion of my willingness to keep watching. Unfortunately, even Jing Bo Ran's face could not completely redeem Luan Nian for me.
There is a difference between a flawed character and a character who repeatedly crosses the line into being unpleasant. Luan Nian's mouth gets him into trouble far too often, and some of the things he says to Zhi Tao are genuinely degrading. The worst comes when he lashes out and essentially reduces her to being cheap, obedient, young, inexperienced, docile, and whatever else he can throw at her in anger. Those words are especially cruel because they hit directly at insecurities she already carries. He is her talented, powerful boss while she is the inexperienced newcomer trying to prove herself. His words reinforce every fear she already has about how he sees her and the imbalance between them. What frustrated me even more was how quickly Zhi Tao forgave him.
Their relationship becomes a strange loop of intimacy, conflict, breakup, reconciliation, intimacy, conflict, and another reconciliation. At first, the push and pull is entertaining. Eventually, it becomes exhausting. The drama seemed to be rage-baiting me into asking the same question over and over again: why are these two still together?
Zhi Tao is not innocent in this dynamic either. She is actually a surprisingly complicated and sometimes hypocritical character. From the beginning, she is presented as career driven and determined to put her work first. Yet she quickly gives in to Luan Nian despite knowing the company has rules against office relationships and despite the obvious power imbalance between them. She knows she is playing with fire, and Luan Nian is standing there enthusiastically adding gasoline.
She is not a completely passive woman. She knows Luan Nian cannot get enough of her, and she knows exactly how to push his jealousy buttons. She can handle him better than most people can. But when it comes to him, she repeatedly sacrifices the boundaries she seems to value everywhere else. That contradiction could have made her character fascinating if the drama had explored it more deeply. Instead, it often feels like Zhi Tao simply cannot resist the Luke allure.
Every reconciliation seems to follow a familiar choreography. He gets close, touches her, stares closely at her face, the tension rises, and suddenly we are back to physical intimacy. At some point, I started wondering whether their relationship had any other language. The drama tells me they love each other, but it rarely gives me enough emotional evidence to actually feel it.
Their relationship is also oddly ambiguous. They move back and forth between situationship and relationship for so long that I sometimes felt the drama itself was unsure what exactly they were. Given the nature of their relationship in the novel and the restrictions of Chinese drama censorship, I cannot help wondering whether this was simply a messy adaptation. If the writers intentionally wanted to preserve that ambiguity, I wish they had used it to explore the emotional confusion rather than mainly turning it into another source of sexual tension.
Sun Qian's performance as Zhi Tao was a mixed bag for me. I have enjoyed her in other roles, and she does well with Zhi Tao's happier, innocent, hardworking, and more passive moments. However, the heavier emotional scenes did not always land. Her crying scenes in particular often amounted to a few tears and a hand partially covering her face. Her fights and breakups with Luan Nian were serviceable, but rarely devastating. The biggest disappointment was Sun Yuan Zhu's death.
Yuan Zhu is presented as someone who has a significant place in Zhi Tao's life, so I expected his death to leave a substantial emotional scar. Instead, the grief felt strangely brief. I understand that people grieve differently, but I simply could not feel the weight of the loss from Zhi Tao. The following episode immediately moving into her promotion made the whole thing feel even more bizarre.
I also found Yuan Zhu's death unnecessary. Liu Xiao Bei did a wonderful job portraying him, especially the character's hidden struggles, quiet affection, longing for family, and depression. I genuinely felt sorry for him and understood the pain underneath his calm exterior. That made his ending feel even more frustrating because the drama did not seem interested in giving his death the emotional space it deserved.
Afterward, the grief mostly disappeared, with Sun Yu being the one person whose pain I could really feel. Even Luan Nian suddenly going from being jealous of Yuan Zhu to talking about how he was a wonderful person and how he should thank him felt almost comical. If the purpose was to give Yuan Zhu closure or follow the novel, then the drama needed to build toward that ending properly. Otherwise, simply allowing him to move on from Zhi Tao and acknowledge that he could not have her would have been more meaningful.
The drama's symbolism, however, is something I appreciated. There is clearly more thought behind the visual language than the actual storytelling sometimes suggests. Jing Bo Ran mentioned that Luan Nian's early outfits were more buttoned up, often closed with a scarf or tie, representing how guarded he was. As he becomes closer to Zhi Tao, the clothes gradually open up. There are also recurring symbols involving the typewriter, fish tank, and other elements associated with control and barriers. These details give the drama an additional layer that I wish the writing had matched.
Visually, The Early Spring is generally beautiful. The medium contrast, soft color palette, slight grain, camera angles, and settings create a polished and easy-on-the-eyes aesthetic. When the story stays in China, the drama looks particularly good. Then comes Phuket.
The Phuket arc was where both the visual quality and editing started to fall apart for me. The studio shooting was painfully obvious, and the editing became increasingly choppy. For such a short storyline involving Alex's resignation, employee scouting, and its consequences, the company trip to Phuket felt unnecessary. The same plot could have happened in Beijing or somewhere else in China without losing anything important. If the production really wanted Phuket, then they needed to either commit to the location properly or smooth the editing. As presented, it sometimes felt less like a meaningful story setting and more like an excuse to manufacture another intimate scene. There are several other scenes like this where I found myself wondering, "Why are we here?"
The scene with Zhi Tao and Kitty reporting their work in Donny's hotel room simply ends without proper continuation. There are also various continuity issues and abrupt transitions that made me wonder whether scenes had been cut or rearranged. If episode cuts were responsible, the remaining scenes needed to be chosen more carefully. If they were not, then the writing and editing have some explaining to do. Either way, the result is the same: the narrative often feels jumpy when it should feel seamless.
And then we arrive at the grand ultimate breakup, the arc that fans had been waiting for. Unfortunately, this was another letdown.
I expected the breakup to feel like the culmination of everything that had been building between them. Instead, the reason felt like yet another misunderstanding, enough for a major sulk but not quite enough to convince me that this was truly the end. Zhi Tao never really felt like she exploded after years of accumulated hurt. Given how often she had already swallowed Luan Nian's behavior, the breakup almost felt like the drama simply pressed the reset button.
Luan Nian's devastation afterward was also underwhelming. He calls Zhi Tao's inactive number, apologizes, begs her to come back, and generally behaves like someone who has just discovered that actions have consequences. Yet when people tell him to say those things to her face, he refuses because she has cut him off.
When they reunite, Zhi Tao staying cold toward him makes perfect sense. What does not make sense to me is how Luan Nian chooses to pursue her. He goes to her parents and repeatedly forces his way into her home. I know many viewers will find this romantic, but I found it intrusive. There is no meaningful evolution in his approach. He does not seem to learn how to communicate better, respect boundaries, or rebuild trust. Instead, he simply resumes the same old routine and hopes proximity will do the emotional work for him. It feels less like pursuing her and more like playing house until she remembers she still loves him. And she does.
That is perhaps my biggest frustration with the ending. Zhi Tao's character does not seem to have grown much either. She tries to be cold, but the moment Luan Nian gets close enough, the attraction takes over again. Sun Qian herself mentioned in an interview that Zhi Tao was initially drawn to Luan Nian because of his looks and their physical intimacy, and honestly, the drama reflects that very clearly. Perhaps too clearly.
The ending then tries to patch everything up by finally giving us Luan Nian's perspective. We learn more about his first impression of Zhi Tao, when he fell for her, and why he gave her certain things. These explanations provide some useful context, but I wish we had gotten them earlier. Keeping Luan Nian mysterious can work, but mystery needs enough breadcrumbs for the audience to understand the character. Otherwise, he spends most of the drama looking like a walking red flag, only for the finale to say, "Actually, he was just bad at dating." That is not quite the same thing as character development.
The L necklace was another moment that completely missed me. I understand why viewers might find it romantic, especially with the symbolism of the L representing love and tying back to the beginning of their relationship. But after watching the entire drama, my brain could not stop interpreting it as Luan Nian putting a collar on Zhi Tao. It felt restrictive rather than romantic, which is probably not the reaction the scene was aiming for.
Ultimately, the ending feels more like a leap of faith than genuine growth or closure. The drama does not convincingly show that Luan Nian has overcome his arrogance and inability to communicate, nor that Zhi Tao has learned to establish boundaries, communicate openly, or compromise. They simply choose each other again.
Oddly enough, I still appreciate that The Early Spring does not completely sugarcoat them. Luan Nian and Zhi Tao are messy, contradictory, insecure people, and people like them absolutely exist in real life. Their relationship is toxic in ways that feel recognizably human. My problem is not that they are flawed. My problem is that the drama introduces all these flaws and then rarely digs deep enough into them.
The Early Spring started with the kind of fluttery excitement that makes you understand why people become obsessed with a couple. It had the looks, the chemistry, the fashion, the tension, and Jing Bo Ran being Jing Bo Ran. But somewhere along the way, the story became a loop of sexual intimacy, fights, breakups, makeups, and another round of the same emotional problems. What was initially addictive eventually became exhausting.
Still, one thing refuses to leave me even after the credits roll: the OST. Liu Yuning and Li Changgeng's songs are beautiful, memorable, and probably more emotionally consistent than the relationship itself. I especially enjoyed how certain songs became almost like emotional signposts. The moment a particular OST started playing, I already knew what kind of scene was coming. Sometimes the music understood the characters better than the script did.
In the end, what lingers is Jing Bo Ran's face, a handful of beautiful visual details, some genuinely memorable intimate moments, an OST that refuses to leave my head, and, unfortunately, my rage.
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might have some minor complains with the story but i chalk it all up to the shortened no. of eps (usual cdrama problem unfortunately) all in all though, i had fun journeying with luan nian and shang zhitao
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Good enough I'm watching it a third time
I did not read the manhwa for this and stumbled upon it originally on a vigloo ad, then moved over to watch it on iQIYI.This was far better than I expected. The characters and storyline are solid. The lowborn ML is perfectly cast and delivers the angst and longing you would expect. The ML playing the Young Master is superb.
It's bogged down by the typical short/vertical drama limited time frame, and could use a little more exposition but for what constraints they were given, this is up at the top of my listings for short dramas now. I hope someone out there recognizes it for what it's worth and gives it a longer form drama outlet in the near future.
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doesent leave you bored at any point
one thing i hate about most asian dramas is that they tend to be really boring at points but then having a climactic boom with the story coming together all at once. with this kdrama though there is never a dull moment in my opinion.there still is that boom affect where everything comes together, but leading up to there it has an interesting and intriguing storyline, making you want to just watch more!!i also think that the storyline is very unique,blending soft fuzzy romance with emotional, possibly horror-like themes.this show has a non rushed ending which leaves you content and not angry in my opinion.it’s definitely not your average love story and i believe that this is one of the first “overhyped” kdramas that doesn’t make you feel like you are forced to finish them.Was this review helpful to you?
What adult relationships look like
What I loved about this drama is that it showed what mature relationships look like. How corporate work works, how actions and their consequences work, and how work romances can be both good and bad.The only thing I didn't like was Luke being Flora's direct boss at some point. I think in reality, there is almost no chance of someone ending up with their boss without it somehow ending up in favour of one party or people assuming that the relationship was solely for climbing the corporate ladder. That was why Flora was always so keen on not exposing their relationship. No matter what, those kinds of relationships don't really give off a good outlook to onlookers.
I loved how each of their personalities grew throughout the years. It was also very realistic how it took them literally almost ten years to figure everything out and restart. They started off being very toxic but ended up respecting each other's boundaries and loving each other.
I loved the ending too. Truly enjoyed watching this drama.
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I’m on the edge of my seat everytime
I was reluctant to start the series as I wasn’t really interested in the cast nor was I a big fan of the second chance troupe, I was then proven wrong when I decided to click on the first episode out of pure boredom. Some people might disagree but I liked how they showed the relationship for the majority of the show before the turning point which was the major break-up, the build-up, tension and how they started getting in each other’s paths got me so hooked, although at times, the pacing was a bit confusing, it wasn’t to a point where I couldn’t comprehend anymore.The chemistry was insane, I was thrilled when they got together, and that doesn’t happen often as I find that in most shows, when the couples get together, it becomes quite boring quickly, but the tension still maintains, it was honestly a beautiful show. I liked both characters and their journey to a beautiful relationship, learning and setting their flaws aside because of how much they loved eachother, the supporting cast was amazing as well, they were supportive and had a certain amount of depth to them, never just surrounding the main cast, I wish we saw more of the relationship between Will and Lumi, I believe that if we had the full 32 episodes, this would’ve happened. Luan Nian’s outfits delivered every single time, he looked fantastic in all of them, the acting was amazing, the scenes felt real, never exaggerated or emotionless.
In conclusion, this show was such a ride for me, it had me stressing, tearing up and smiling to myself one second after another, a must-watch if you ask me!!
p.s the soundtrack was also fantastic, I loved all the songs and I felt like they were played at the right moments which made the scenes more emotional !!
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Refreshing story stays on your mind.
Loved the story. So refreshing! I wish there were 16 1h Ep! It was rlly good, from the interesting story to their acting. It has sad moments but overall beautiful.Ugh, I want more good dramas like this!
The only complaint I would have is that the last few ep felt a bit rushed, and I wish they had more time to show all the things they wanted to.
Don't get me wrong, there is still a happy ending, but they could have benefited from at least 2 more extra ep.
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The show that surprised the socks off me!
Okay, I need to preface this review with a small, all-be-it-shocking confession – and please don’t throw internet stones at my face!But Bai Lu is not on my list of favorite actors.
I’ve watched several of her shows now, and there is something in her acting that doesn’t appeal to me, she has several quirks that irk me. So, unless a favorite actor is acting alongside her, I tend to just not watch her shows.
(Hang in there with me! I’m really getting to some wonderful compliments!)
Anyway, that means I haven’t seen the prequel to this drama, One and Only.
Not only because of the actor, but I read it had a tragic ending, and being a snowflake at heart, I need my shows to have the best happy ending.
However, (here come the compliments, guys!) this drama was highly recommended to me after I’d watched and looooved Love me Love my Voice and it had the same dubbing plotline.
Okay, let me give it a go, I said, not expecting much.
But let me gobble all my humble words because Forever and Ever has sneaked into my best shows list!
Right from episode one, I was hooked!
Bai Lu was brilliant.
I loved her character, Shi Yi so much. What an absolute delight to watch. I loved her demeanor, how she handled and wooed Sheng Chen in the gentlest, quietest loving way. her gorgeous clothes and her unwavering determination to stand by Shen Chen's side through some tough times.
Of course, I loved Sheng Chen, he was a lovable oddball, so sweet, quiet and supportive and never swayed from his love, not even with his odious mother and all the plotlines that went on around this couple.
Though I don’t enjoy tragic stories, I think I can go back and watch the first show now that I know this lovely couple find their way back to each other and a real happy ending this time.
The actors had a great dynamic and on-screen chemistry that made every episode go by so fast.
Don’t be like me and put off shows because you haven’t enjoyed an actor in something else, because you could just be missing out on a true, heart-filled treasure.
I will be thinking about this show (and re-watching it) for a long time.
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I’ve read too much dark romance because I was team baddie!
Okay, not completely, but for a lot of the episodes, I hoped that Wen Peng would get his own side plot romantic storyline.
Alas, it was not meant to be, because he was an absolute calculating madman, and ohhhhh, I was here for it. The actor did brilliantly in his role. Though we went through several baddies, he was the ultimate one pulling all the strings and I loved how it wasn’t revealed for the longest time, but as a viewer, with his portrayal of unrequited love for Lu Yan, you could just feel something was off with his reactions, so I wasn’t altogether pearl clutching surprised when he was revealed.
I couldn’t help but feel for his backstory, his utter motivation for how he turned out. But what I still can’t fathom, my dark romance dude was a total head case, he orchestrated the most heinous things, but yet, still let his dad bully him, even as a full grown, powerful adult. My guy! Throw that bastard into a volcano or something! Be done with him for good.
As you can see from how my review started, Wen Peng was my favorite character from this drama. Every time he was on screen, my eyes were drawn to his performance.
I enjoyed the main leads, mostly. But Lu Yan had a massive case of the martyrs. Girl, sacrificing your own happiness, breaking up with the guy you love, not once but twice and in the same damn way, oooff, that got my back right up. Mostly because Lu Yan was not problematic in the general sense. She is actually my favorite type of female lead because she wasn’t chaotic or a shrieking shrew. I loved her quiet demeanor, but for decision-making in matters of the heart, this smart doctor had the same amount of brain cells as a squishy orange!
And that brings me to Jiang.
The man with the wealth of patience.
I certainly wouldn’t have chased Lu Yang again, not when she didn’t tell him why she’d broken up with him the way she did. Or when she did it a second time! Silly girl, you don’t break up with simps!
With all the leading men, I am usually in love within 4 eps, but I got no wow factor this time. For me, Wen Peng had the better acted scenes.
Jiang was a nice guy, but the actor didn’t quite sell me on him being a cop.
I don’t know what it was, but for me, he didn’t act, talk or even walk like a cop😂
If you love simps, then this is the simp for you!
While I always focus on romantic-centric dramas, the romance aspect of this was definitely a subplot, the crime being the center, and I actually enjoyed it. I read a long-running futuristic cop drama by JD Robb, it’s well into book 60s now. It’s about a female murder cop and the ex-con she falls for, and then he helps her with her cases. This show somehow reminded me of that book series, so I was super into the mystery aspect, even when it went off in all directions.
Though I will admit, I wanted more of the couple’s side, not just sprinkled here and there, and the show could have been tighter with fewer episodes.
Overall, a good watch.
Poor demented Wen Peng.
Think about it for a second: if he’d been given the lead role, still within his bad guy skin, how devoted he would have been! 😂😂😂
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Unbelievably touching
This is a well made touching movie. Of course with Jackie Chan it just can't get any better. You will need a box of tissue near you if you choose to watch this movie. So well worth it and new Chinese actors for me in this movie. It has rewatch value as well. Recommend it to your friends and be aware it has sensitive subject of elderly care.Was this review helpful to you?
The most ridiculous and stupid K Drama immaginable
The is so convoluted and the writing is so lame it’s almost unimaginable. The back and forth between the male lead and the antagonist is so predictable yet still the writers have made it impossibly confusing. This series should be forced upon the incarcerated who are serving time for violent crimes as a means of torture.Was this review helpful to you?




